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navigating the quantum chaos branches of infinity

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Digit, Jul 20, 2006.

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  1. #1 Digit, Jul 20, 2006
    if every moment, every twitch of every subatomic particle, every fluctuation of state of every strand of energy, gives birth to a new universe, how then shall you navigate...

    "The past is the past, The future may never happen, you live now."

    "The best way to heal the wounds of the past is to let them go"

    so here you are, where shall you steer from here?

    :cool: :eek: :hello: :p :rolleyes: :) :yay: :love: :yummy: :ey: :confused_2: :poke: :bolt: :laughing:
     
  2. #2 Turelim, Jul 20, 2006
    if thru conscious thought we can direct the electrical state of our brain, then our "free will" has a physical entity. if thats the case, then our very thoughts drive the creation of some of these universes.

    so to answer ur question, i shall navigate with the power of choice.
     
  3. #3 Digit, Jul 20, 2006
    ;) 'ey. :)
     
  4. #4 DirtyPete, Jul 22, 2006
    I understood that more than I can understand.
     
  5. #5 Digit, Jul 22, 2006
    ....meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro meta neuro and so on.
     
  6. #6 Maitereya, Jul 22, 2006
    one flew east, one flew west, one flew over the cukoos nest
     
  7. #7 Third3ye, Jul 22, 2006
    My question is, if there are an infinite amount of tangent universes, then who is in a different universe than me? Are some of my relatives traveling through a completely different reality. And if so, who the hell am I talking to then?
     
  8. #8 4ction, Jul 23, 2006
    I dunno if this makes sense but you'll navigate by what you come across in your universe and nothing else exists until you see it/ sense it/ perceive it. Theres a law that states something like this but i forgot the name.

    "Your knowledge of a situation changes the situation instantly. By becoming aware, you alter the outcome of the situation"

    "Observation or measurement implies an observer with intelligence, a mind capable or discerning and thereby getting an impression or a perception of things. And that is what makes something go from anything possible to something actual. In other words, observation must be the creator of reality. This popularized the idea that "you create your own reality" and that quantum physics and consciousness are related. This gets spiritual when you consider who or what the ultimate observer might be."

    Those are from a book i bought here
     
  9. #9 Digit, Jul 23, 2006

    i would speculate that it is you. the very same. perhaps another partial explanation for one of the many causes and physiological states that get called "deja vue".



    we are all traveling through the same "reality" only that our lenses are different. it's all relative :D



    and if a twig snaps in a forrest, and no one is around to hear it?....?

    this sounds like some "perception is all there is" or "subjectivity" argument.

    if I ackowledge there are things beyond that which i can (or rather, am) sensing or percieving does that mean it does not exist?
    ...or would it be argued that it is on the perifery of my perception?
     
  10. #10 Rasta_Man, Jul 23, 2006
    I just like the fact that all matter is made up of essentially nothing.

    Really brings the term "insignificant" into a new light.
     
  11. #11 chronictoker, Jul 23, 2006
    deja vue is crazy sometimes. I wish I could navigate me some wormholes :(. I love contemplating infinity. It's like idk everything. I just don't know if we'll ever unify physics into one theory of everthing. BUt it's fascinating this stuff is.
     
  12. #12 4ction, Jul 25, 2006
    Is it just me or does it seem like some of the "laws" of quantum physics were just pulled out of someone's ass? There's one called the Heisenberg (sp?) Uncertainty Principle and i'm pretty sure it says that an object can be in 2 different places, simultaneously, while still being the same object... wtf? People refute evolution while stuff like this is accepted as a fact :D

    I know it doesn't really make sense, but i'm just relaying some of the stuff i understood (or rather tried to understand) in this quantum physics book i have. I could be wrong tho ill try to reread it again in the next week
     
  13. #13 GotoAKellerShow, Jul 25, 2006
    its kind of hard to explain but think if YOU see a red cup that your family has had for awhile sitting on a desk, in your universe the cup is sitting on the desk. then your mom in the other room glances at a different cup on a table and mistakeningly thinks in her mind that its the same red cup. In her mind the red cup is on a table. So in both your minds the red cup is in two different places at the same time and without verification the object could go on forever being in two places at THAT time.
     
  14. #14 Digit, Jul 25, 2006

    indeed perhaps so. but it is still a perception that can be nullified. what's the nothing made of? :D eh? thought about that one yet?






    take your basic M theory, with some rudimentary understanding of the string theories that came before, throw in some grand cosmological concepts like found in brahmanical hinduism, and uhh, yeah, you're pretty much there. oh... yeah except...

    imagine that with all that....... ask yourself this question...

    "what if there's only one string".



    ...


    yeah?




    eh?



    :)


    c'mon, ya know its good, fucking great infact.... biggest bestest concept i ever threw at anyone mid heated science & philosophy debate anyways.



    yeah, it does make discussion and argument with amatuer quantum physicists rather tedious.


    attempts to explain the otherwise logically unexplainable. uncertainty principle and superpossitioning etc. you have to appreciate however that the quantum world as we can measure it works VERY differently to the spacial existance and scales we comonly & routinely encounter.

    only thing i can really say to this is, "The map is not the terrain."

    imagine you have (bear with me) a 733 dimensional area, and stuff was all going on in this, then you try to measure something in this by putting a 2 dimensional plane across it and watching the value disturbances across this plane (later showing them is altitude disturbances in the 3rd dimension 90degrees to the plane), what you see would at first seem increadably erratic, and you'd easily be forgiven for proclaiming it made no sence at all, even "random". however, if you carried on intersecting enough of these 2D grids all over at all possable "angles", eventually you would draw up a picture of how all these original seemingly erratic and unpredictable results may have occurred.
     
  15. #15 4ction, Jul 25, 2006
    I see what you're saying; that although the laws science seem random and confusing at times, they all make sense once you look at the big picture... when the puzzle is finally complete... but until that time i'll remain ignorant and confused haha.

    And as for the red cup anology, if some people and I were to mistakingly identify a twin as his twin brother, would that make the twins the exact same person just because we think so? I feel like the answer is in a really thick book somewhere..
     
  16. #16 chronictoker, Jul 25, 2006
    Yeah, I'm on the same boat you're on it's all a little bit over my head quantum mechanics and what not. I have a twin brother:). That twin thing didn't make sense to me though. We're two separate people, I think. Although I can communicate with him telepathically, not not really.
     
  17. #17 4ction, Jul 26, 2006
    I used that twin thing as a reply to this:

     
  18. #18 chronictoker, Jul 26, 2006
    well, we are mistaken for each other sometimes, but that scenario doesn't make sense to me still. idk.
     
  19. #19 Digit, Jul 26, 2006

    "the fewer declarative statement's one makes, the less foolish one looks in retrospect." -Quinten Tarrantino's character quoting something his grandad used to say in some film thats far to little known and i forget the name of.


    three threads to get you thinking.
    http://forum.grasscity.com/showthread.php?t=21226
    http://forum.grasscity.com/showthread.php?t=21227
    http://forum.grasscity.com/showthread.php?t=104159



    here's something else to ponder, (not my own, though i wish i could take credit for this), asuming you cannot travel lightspeed, do you necessarily then have to asume you cannot "influence" or move things light years away? If you had a very rigid stick, a lightyear long and gave it shove as you hold one end...
     
  20. #20 Digit, Jul 26, 2006



    oh dear. i seem to have done some deconstruction. when i first read that i thought it was it, sheer genius. but i see now, choice is how we steer, not how we navigate. so, would it be that somewhat elusive concept of "intuition"?
     
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