What is "natural"? Vicious and I were discussing this in another thread, and rather than continue to derail that one, we both agreed it would be better to start a new thread dedicated to the topic. I personally feel that everything that exists, or occurs is natural. Even if it is man made, as man is a part of nature, and so everything man creates is also natural. Bees make hives, beavers make dams, birds make nests, none of which would exist without the creative ingenuity of those creatures. But no one would argue (I don't think) that those objects are not a part of nature. Those animals add A and B together to make C. Humans do the same thing, but our creations are more complex, because we are more complex animals. But nature evolved us to have that creative complexity, and therefore everything man creates or does is still natural. The idea of something man made being "unnatural" is based on the fallacy that man is separate from nature...something special. Which is not true. So there really is no such thing as "unnatural". It is just a buzz word used to discredit things that people don't like or don't understand. Discuss.