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[quote name="SassyMelassy" post="18484553" timestamp="1376023750"]Well I would consider myself atypical. I fuck dudes with no strings attached.And it goes both ways. Guys expect that if they buy you dinner that you owe them something.I don't need a dude for weed and liquor, I've got my own, and I certainly don't need a man for a meal.You can hate all you want but you perpetuate and maintain the status quo by fueling it.[/quote]As if women don't dangle sex over a man's head as some type of reward for lavishing them with gifts. If women don't want men to expect anything, they shouldn't make men take them out or buy gifts before they'll consider having sex with them...

 

 
That's ridiculous. Not all women expect gifts or material things. Some women, yes. All? No. 

 

 
I happen to like sex crazed ass holes. I'd just prefer there to be good chemistry and good conversation the rest of the time.

 

I didn't say "all".

You can't deny it though. How many people do you know that want to date someone that doesn't take them out or buy them gifts?

 

 
At this point in my life, not many.
But only because the people I know who are dating expect to be given in return what they offer up. Which I think is fair.

 

Which is what?

Ive noticed in many relationships one person tends to bear the majority of the costs.

 

I am 1/3 of your ideal mate, in that I am a sex crazed asshole.

 

 
You would be surprised, then, at how many guys will expect something from a girl if he takes her out. At least younger dudes. It hasn't been that way so much since I've gotten older, but I remember feeling this uncomfortable level of obligation on more than one occasion. That is why I am all about contributing to dates. I will buy drinks if he buys dinner or he b uys dinner, I pay for the movie... that sort of thing. I don't ever want anyone to think I am using them. I don't want anyone to feel like I owe them something. It is important to me individually to maintain balance...
 
I will start letting a guy pay for things after we're in an established relationship, but I will also do the same in turn.

 

I don't advocate being cheap on dates, but guys with an average income shouldn't go hog wild with very expensive dinners, shows and presents for a woman that they hardly know. If they do, and things don't go the way they want, it's their own fault.

 

You make it sound like a man's only motive to buy a woman gifts so she feels obligated to have sex with him.

But you're ignoring the women that make men feel as if they have to "earn" sex by buying their way up to it.

 

 
Exactly.
People treat you how you allow them to.

 

 
No, I'm not ignoring it, I acknowledge your argument, but you make it sound like all women are succubi ... like all women are shallow and materialistic, which is not the case. In turn, not all men expect something from a woman who they take out.

 

I didn't mean to make it sound that way, and I'm sure you didn't mean to make all men seem like sex-fueled maniacs. Granted, some are, but I don't think its the case in most circumstances. Sometimes people just like to do nice things. How others perceive it is another story.

 

 
Some people are motivated by things. I know females like that. They like name brands, jewelry, flowers, nails did, hair did, the whole nine, but the thing is, they have that expectation because they've been given it... I think it's totally bullshit for women to act that way and not take accountability for themselves, but at the same time, men fuel it by upholding the expectation and giving into it.
I, personally, don't care about things. I care about quality interactions and genuine attraction and affection, chemistry, etc. I give 0 fucks about things.
At the same time, I don't want to be with a guy who is a total deadbeat. I work hard, I take care of my responsibilities, I can't be expected to enter a relationship that would ultimately end up being another responsibility. 

 

 
I can tell you how I avoid them like the plague.

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