My experience with ClearChoice Sub-Solution (OCT 2016!!!)

StinkyJade · Feb 8, 2017

Mr2Happy420 said:

First of all, thanks for all of the info available on this site from everyone. I searched so many damn forums concerning using synthetic piss, because I had a pretty great opportunity at an initial stepping stone for my career, as I just graduated college this summer. Also, if I'm not posting in the appropriate place in the forums or if I happen to violate any rules, it is not intentional, and I'm full willing to adjust my post as necessary to abide by the rules. THIS POST IS INCREDIBLY LONG, for the purpose of going into the most exquisite detail possible about my experience.

So I'm going to start by saying that if you're here because you are nervous as hell and need to pass a drug test that you know you can't pass normally, or if you already have submitted a sample of Sub-solution and you are frantically awaiting your results from the lab; then you need to take a deep breath and relax. I'm going to attempt to walk you through my experience in as much detail as possible in hopes that I can help a fellow stone-bone out in some way or another.

I have read countless forums and person accounts from people regarding synthetic urine. I was hesitant to even try it, but as I stated, I needed this job. I don't enjoy paying the most money for a brand of something, but for the most part in life, you get what you pay for. I have read many success stories with other, cheaper (some very cheap) brands, but I have absolutely no clue how valid those anecdotes are or if those brands truly work. Some may have been salespeople for those brands even. And some people may even suggest I am one for ClearChoice. All I can do is provide my person experience though.

I decided that if I'm going to spend the money and take the risk, that I might as well go all out and get the most expensive, and one of the most allegedly "trusted" brands of fake piss on the market. So I purchased my ClearChoice Sub-Solution kit from testnegative.com, and it arrived within about two days or ordering it. It cost me just under $85 after shipping and handling. The packaging was entirely discreet. Just a small US post office box containing the box with the kit.

You can easily see on the internet what comes in the package, but to confirm, I received a plastic bottle that was roughly 3 oz, with a temperature strip just above the half way fill point of the bottle, and the cap was a white screw-on cap with a nozzle that flips up to release a stream of liquid out. The package also contained a very small, clear, plastic vial that was sealed with some tan looking powder completely filling it. The other item was a small, roughly 1.5 oz brown glass bottle of white powder. The package also came with very thorough instructions, and tons of extra tips on how to use the kit.

I bought a package of whitey-tighties, as this was going to be my way to James Bond the piss into the lab. I have read some people just wearing it in a pair, right by their crotch. Others, I have heard wear two pairs, and snug the bottle in between the pairs of drawers. I tried the latter method out, and it honestly did work great. I got a size too small on purpose so that it would be a tight fit (but obviously not too tight to where it can't be worn by me). Even though this method worked great (I was running, jumping, squatting, doing jumping jacks; anything I could do to try and make the bottle fall out to test this methods reliability) I went an insane step further and literally super-glued (yes! super-glued!) two pairs together by the seams, starting down the underwear (right in the center, by the taint) I glued together a part by the taint area to create a pocket down there (glued a non-seam part going from seam to seam), and finished gluing up the seams, almost to the top of the front of the underwear.

Now people probably won't go that far, and I agree my tactic may have been a little extreme, but I wasn't risking anything at all, and having this bottle fall out while going in to test or something. After drying, it held together flawlessly, and i could literally drop the bottle between the underwear pairs and it wouldn't fall at all, even without me positioning it. I did position it as strategically as possible when I went in for the test though. As in, I wanted it to not move at all, and be completely invisible when sitting or standing, and so I was able to transition from sitting to standing to sitting as many times as possible without the bottle moving and poking any part of my pants as if the lab techs could see it.

I purchased a package of Hothands adhesive foot warmers from Wal Mart for very cheap. These are perfect, as they are produced to provide heat on the adhesive side, and they are literally the perfect size to fit on the bottle provided with the kit. I literally spent the entire day and the next testing out the foot warmers, testing out how long it takes for them to heat up to the right temp and how long it held the right temp. The warmers start the heating process as soon as you open the packet of 2. I would stick one to the bottle immediately, and allow the other one to heat up just resting on a table, leaving the adhesive sheets on.

The warmer not connected to the bottle would heat up much faster (around 30-45 mins), and the one on the bottle would take anywhere from 45mins-1hour15mins. While it may seem like leaving the pad off is the way to go until you're ready, I also found that if those are allowed to heat up, and they are stuck on the bottle afterwards, the temp of the water i was using inside the bottle was going beyond 102 degrees F (not in the acceptable 90-100F range that labs accept). If I allowed the warmers that I initially stuck on the bottle to heat up all the way, it would literally stay perfectly at 98-100F for almost 2 hours.

I started doing more time experiments, but allowing the bottle to be warmed up with a warmer while resting inside my James Bond undies, and allowing it to stay in the undies for the duration of how long it help the temps for. Doing this only made the temp of the water (warmed with a foot warmed that was stuck on the bottle immediately after opening) go up to 102 max. And while this IS out of the acceptable range, lowering the liquid 2 degrees won't be any issue. Not only is the cup they provide you to pee in only at room temp, so that will cool down the liquid somewhat, but one can even place the cup on a cold ceramic surface for a brief period of time, such as the back of the toilet, and the liquid will drop into the acceptable range.

So after doing loads of testing for two days straight, and even waking up early the day of my testing to ensure the warmers work in the amount of time I tested, I was finally ready to give this a shot. The day of the test, i could have gone in at any time, had a 48 hour window, no appointment necessary.

****Something I would like to add here is that I had to also take a physical for this job. Now, I personally believe I got incredibly lucky, as I was going through a temp agency to get the job, and one location found me the job, but another, closer location for the temp agency to my home actually did my orientation. So the first location scheduled me a physical, and the closer location scheduled me a drug test at an entirely separate location. *****I am going to assume this was just a result of multiple locations scheduling me for different things, and that if I was being tested directly by a big company to go work for, the physical and drug test would be at the same facility, at the same time. ***Some places require you to get into a gown. If they don't provide you with disposable shorts and/or allow you to keep on your underwear, then I have no idea how to help you smuggle in fake pee unless they allow you to take the drug test first, before stripping down for the physical, and even if they do allow underwear with a gown, I'm not sure it will be easy to conceal a bottle. Maybe stuff it up your ass if this is the case, I really don't know, and was worried shitless before I knew I would be taking them at separate facilities. ***Also would like to say my physical was at Concentra, and they did have me get into disposable shorts, but I got to keep my underwear on, and I never had to pull the shorts down and do the whole "turn your head and cough" routine.

So considering a testing facility will never make you wait longer than 20-30 (unless they're really suspicious of you, and are willing to waste someone's time so badly), and the warmers hold the right temp for roughly an hour and a half and can take almost an hour and 15 to heat up, I planned on having the piss mixed and a hand warmer opened and on the bottle by right around 10:20 am.

I followed the directions to a T. I filled the water to where it suggested in the directions (some people claim powder goes in first, I'm telling you for sure the directions said water first for me, but it shouldn't make a difference either way.) I used luke-warm water as suggested, and then CAREFULLY dumped the powder into the bottle, doing it over a dry surface that would have been easy to collect the powder, had i accidentally spilled some. I gently shook the bottle for almost a minute to ensure the powder had fully dissolved and that there were no clumps in the solution. I screwed the cap on tightly, but not so tight that I might break the thread marks. I immediately opened a pack of warmers and stuck one onto the bottle. This was completed at exactly 10:20am.

So, being the stoner I am, I ripped a few bongs to calm my nerves and prepare for the test. I dressed business casual (dress pants, button up shirt, but no tie), and I left for the facility at around 11. It takes about 15 minutes to get there, but I wanted to pull into a parking lot near the place to get myself situated and ensure proper temperatures. Due to my extreme bad luck in this world, the ONE hand warmer I chose that time happened to be sort of weak. The temp was juuuust getting around 98, and even then, I was skeptical because I had the bottle in my James Bond undies the whole time, and it may have just been reading the temp of my body. Luckily I had the other warmer from the same pack, and held it close to the bottle and allowed it to get to about 100. I held the second pack on there and finished my drive to the facility. The facility was called ArcPoint labs (and they claim to be the leading part of their industry and claim no substituted/adultered/synthetic samples can get past their screening tests...haha)

I walked in, and as usual, the people were not very friendly, and pretty much are trained to treat you as if you are trying to cheat and are a drug user (I'm sure this happens more to young men, and even more so to young men of color, than any other demographic, but I'm just stating my experience, I'm sure not all drug testing lab techs are jerks). I walked up and was told I had a test, and handed her the form my employer handed me. She didn't even take it or look at it. She said, "sign in, and we will call you up." So I sat there for about 15 minutes, waiting with another dude in the room. He went in eventually, and the other lab tech said she would take my sheet and ID to get me started.

After another 5 minutes, she called me back, had me empty my pockets, wash my hands, grab a cup from the shelf, and told me to go into the bathroom and not flush the toilet or turn on the sink at all. I went into the bathroom, there was no fan unfortunately to distract the noise, but I locked the door, and unbottoned and unzipped my pants in normal fashion. I pulled the bottle out of my undies, and it read at 98, pushing back to 96. Perfect temp. I took the cap off and put it in my pocket. I then whipped out James Bond Jr and proceeded to piss into the toilet (supposed to provide piss from mid-stream for a drug test). I then ACTUALLY pissed in the test cup in order to make the legit sound of piss going into the cup (even if, by some miracle, a tiny amount of THC from a tiny drop of pee remained on the side of the cup after dumping it, it would be diluted more than enough to be entirely undetectable, so as long as you pour it allll out, peeing in the cup for the sound is a good idea). Not all lab techs give a fuck, but they are trained to give a fuck and stand directly outside the door to actually hear if you are peeing and peeing in a cup. I then directed my stream back to the toilet, and bent over carefully as to keep my piss aimed at the water, and quietly poured my real pee on the side of the bowl, and right after that quietly poured my synthetic pee into the fill amount (while still peeing in the toilet for noise) and poured the rest on the side of the toilet, just like my real pee. The reason I did this was because I screwed the cap back on and was putting it back in my undies just in case they made me empty my pockets again upon coming out of the bathroom. Even if everything was in my undies though, and there was still some liquid left in the bottle, it would make a swishing sound when I walked, which was clearly audible (take note of this when practicing the position you put the bottle in at home as well). The pouring and peeing procedure has to be done relatively quickly, or in the amount of time it takes you to pee. Some people say they don't even bother peeing in the toilet and just pour it and don't care. I wouldn't risk that.

I came out, placed the cup on the counter, and she immediately took a laser temp gun and temped the pee. It beeped, she put the gun down, and did everything else as what seemed like standard procedure. Put the lid on, had me initial and date it, and then put the sample cup into a machine, and had me write my full signature on an electronic signing pad. She said the test is being done now, and the results would be faxed to my employer within a couple of hours.

The test was on a Thursday, and I was freaking out the ENTIRE weekend worried, reading different forums and everything I could. I made this post and wasted all the time writing this novel to let others in my position know YOU WILL BE OK!!! If the temp was right, and you used sub-solution, you will pass. The only thing I cannot confirm is if the heating powder than comes in the brown bottle works as designated. I did not even use it in normal water, so I cannot attest to how quickly/efficiently it heats up the solution, or how long it maintains that heat. Hand warmers do take much longer to heat up, but if you have that time to spare, I suggest going that route, since hand warmers can maintain the proper temp for well over a full hour. I also read on a different thread that apparently it is possible for them to either test for that powder (highly highly doubt that) or that they can tell there was some type of adulterant in it if you use the powder (seems more plausible, but I'd probably only see that happening if it was clumped in the pee, and you didn't actually get the powder to dissolve entirely before submitting your sample.

Bottom line, this stuff has worked for thousands, and it 100% worked for me, like a fucking charm. The only thing I will say I don't agree with that the company claims is that it smells like pee (another good reason to put your real piss in the cup prior to the fake shit). My smell may have been off that morning, but I'm sure everyone's piss smells different, so idk. I also am pretty sure they aren't allowed to reject a sample based on smell, but I could be wrong.

I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone has, and I really hope typing this novel out relieved someone's stress who is waiting for that phone call to see if they passed. If you used sub-solution and followed the temp procedure, you passed. guarantee it. I literally am always going to have a bottle on hand at all times for future employment opportunities or for random drug testing any company may do. Never quitting again for a job.
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guiding loam said:

I just wanted to thank you for writing all that out. I have bought some sub-solution and am wearing an incognito belt from the same company currently, trying to practice for my test tomorrow. Your right the hand warmer thing is my biggest problem and wanted to say you calmed me down and got me focused on preparing. Good job on writing it all out, the detail was exactly what I needed.
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I thought this product "Sub Solution" uses a chemical powder warming agent? I'm confused about having to use hand warmers if this is the case...

thelittletree · Feb 8, 2017

The chemical heat activator is lithium chloride. My test included an adulterant screen so I was skeptical about using the heat activator. That's why i personally didn't use it.

Mr2Happy420 · Feb 21, 2017

StinkyJade said:

I thought this product "Sub Solution" uses a chemical powder warming agent? I'm confused about having to use hand warmers if this is the case...
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Sorry, thought i brushed up on that in the post. Sub solution has a heating agent as an option. Considering places can test for adulterants that want to, i wouldn't risk it since they can't detect warmth through handwarmers. I'm not aware of what specific adulterants are tested for or if anyone has ever been caught using the one specifically provided by sub solution.

Just was trying to take the safe route, and not risk the powder being a known adulterant or something.

Mr2Happy420 · Feb 21, 2017

thelittletree said:

The chemical heat activator is lithium chloride. My test included an adulterant screen so I was skeptical about using the heat activator. That's why i personally didn't use it.
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Mr2Happy420 · Feb 21, 2017

StinkyJade said:

I thought this product "Sub Solution" uses a chemical powder warming agent? I'm confused about having to use hand warmers if this is the case...
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After rereading my post, i actually did mention this...so ya. It was addressed. Best of luck.

tr0792 · Mar 12, 2017

Apologies if this is a stupid question but is the temperature strip on the bottle reusable? When you were practicing were you just using the bottle that was supplied in the kit? First time attempting to pass a dt (most certainly won't with my own sample) and I would not want to "burn out" the temperature strip, or anything of that nature, on the supplied bottle out of fear of not getting an accurate reading the day of the test. By the way, thanks for this post - a whole lot of useful info here. I've probably read through it 5 times now haha so if I glossed over that detail just let me know.

Zeus23 · Mar 13, 2017

This is very reassuring for me. I've been trying to detox for the last month and continue to test positive unfortunately and have come to the realization I must sub for the first time. Pretty nervous about it obviously but your post definitely helps a lot. So you found that the hand warmers didn't get the temperature too high at any point? That is my only concern as I actually bought two of these because I want to do a test run to see how easy it is to do and monitor the temperature etc. My main concern is the temperature at this point because doing the heat activator in the bathroom is cutting it a little too close to me as well as the adulterant possibility.

tr0792 · Mar 13, 2017

Zeus23 said:

This is very reassuring for me. I've been trying to detox for the last month and continue to test positive unfortunately and have come to the realization I must sub for the first time. Pretty nervous about it obviously but your post definitely helps a lot. So you found that the hand warmers didn't get the temperature too high at any point? That is my only concern as I actually bought two of these because I want to do a test run to see how easy it is to do and monitor the temperature etc. My main concern is the temperature at this point because doing the heat activator in the bathroom is cutting it a little too close to me as well as the adulterant possibility.
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I've been practicing with hand warmers today and I usually get a max of 100. Hit 102 once but as was mentioned in the initial post, better (easier) to knock down the temp a bit than increase it. I also thought about bringing the heat activator with me as a last resort/hail mary sort of deal in case something were to go terribly wrong haha. I'm supposed to have my test tomorrow so I'll pop back on here by the end of the week at the latest with some hopefully good news lol!

Zeus23 · Mar 13, 2017

tr0792 said:

I've been practicing with hand warmers today and I usually get a max of 100. Hit 102 once but as was mentioned in the initial post, better (easier) to knock down the temp a bit than increase it. I also thought about bringing the heat activator with me as a last resort/hail mary sort of deal in case something were to go terribly wrong haha. I'm supposed to have my test tomorrow so I'll pop back on here by the end of the week at the latest with some hopefully good news lol!
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Good luck buddy I hope it goes well for you! I am going either this Friday or March 20th depending on the snowstorm coming here. Let me know how it goes!

Zeus23 · Mar 13, 2017

tr0792 said:

I've been practicing with hand warmers today and I usually get a max of 100. Hit 102 once but as was mentioned in the initial post, better (easier) to knock down the temp a bit than increase it. I also thought about bringing the heat activator with me as a last resort/hail mary sort of deal in case something were to go terribly wrong haha. I'm supposed to have my test tomorrow so I'll pop back on here by the end of the week at the latest with some hopefully good news lol!
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Oh also did you microwave it or just use warm water?

tr0792 · Mar 13, 2017

Zeus23 said:

Oh also did you microwave it or just use warm water?
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I just used warm water and "attached" the hand warmers with a couple rubber bands. I had one hand warmer vertically on the back and another horizontally on the front underneath the strip. It started to get into the 98-100 range after about an hour or so and stayed in that range for another hour. Similar to OP's post, I had a real dud of a hand warmer during one of my dry runs which is why I will probably bring the heat activator in case. We're supposed to get dumped on with snow on Tuesday which I'm dreading haha. Stay warm!

Bud Bigglesworth · Mar 22, 2017

Wow I'm glad I'm not the only one with these issues. I just used sub-solution for the first time 3 days ago and I'm very nervous. My wife went at the same time as me and received her results the next morning, since she doesn't smoke it was a sure thing that she would pass.....great but I still haven't heard back on my sample !! So even though I was super excited when they checked the box that said my sample was the correct temp, I am now worried about using the heat activator. If anyone out there knows if they test for the lithium chloride as an adulterant I would love to know !! LOL if not I suppose I will be biting my nails in the mean time while I await the results. As soon as I get the results I will post again as I am sure my sample will be going for more extensive testing.

tr0792 · Mar 23, 2017

My apologies for not following up - got caught up in the madness of march. I got my results 2 days after i took my test and passed! Starting my new job in a couple weeks and am quite excited. Chalk up another W for sub solution.

Zeus23 · Mar 23, 2017

tr0792 said:

My apologies for not following up - got caught up in the madness of march. I got my results 2 days after i took my test and passed! Starting my new job in a couple weeks and am quite excited. Chalk up another W for sub solution.
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Congrats man! I did it Monday morning, just waiting to hear back now although I am not too worried now that both you and the OP both passed. I didn't use the heat activator personally and the temperature was just fine.

Zeus23 · Mar 24, 2017

I passed! Another win for Sub Solution

Bud Bigglesworth · Mar 27, 2017

Well it was a long weekend for me wondering what my results were but I passed !! Now that I know I will never try to flush again or worry if I actually pissed clean, fake pee is the way to go and no taking chances that way. My sample did go to the lab and I did use the heat activator so anyone worried about these issues can relax. As long as your sample is at the correct temp for test time then go home relax and spark up a fat one cause you're home free at that point. do your happy dance!!!

Icyveins · Apr 12, 2017

OK all of my sub solution users... Have none of you noticed how off the color of piss is, or how insane it foams. The foam is like beer foam. You can turn the sample bottle sideways and literally watch the bubbles form. Both techs both times I used it said 'that looks like beer' or 'man I've never seen pee look like that'. Now usually its girls and I can smooth it over with a smile or a few words but sub solution is Def off in those ways. Now I do use the heat activator... Do you think that could cause the crazy foam or color?

Bud Bigglesworth · Apr 13, 2017

I used the heat activator and had no issues at all. The color of urine varies greatly depending on diet and a number of other factors, as for the bubbles I can only imagine you should shake a little more gently ! LOL I actually wished mine had foamed a little more but it passed and after all isn't that the result we are looking for ?

NERVOUS-NELLY · May 9, 2017

WOW thanks for this post. Just purchased myself a ClearChoice Sub-Solution kit from testnegative.com as well, as I have a drug test on Wednesday for a high paying job. It's finals week here and i've spent hours of my precious time googling reviews about said kit and this thread won me over. Ohhh boy im a nervous wreck to say the least. I bought it using usps 1 day shipping that cost me a whopping $29.65 because it is 8pm and time is of essence here so i BETTER get it on time. Anyhow, I'll check back in a few days to let you other concerned folks know how it goes. I'm quite the toker (concentrates are the key to my heart) and im a dependable space cadet, so i'm hoping i can pull this off lol.

gpeters1 · May 10, 2017

Just followed your instructions and used Sub-Solution.

I was shitting bricks and it was definitely stressful. Try to remain calm and focused, and you will be FINE!! My office made me over an hour in the lobby and I thought my piss would be too cold... finally got my named called and I made it in. The lady was super nice and had me empty my pockets. (NO PAT DOWN) Then I just untapped the urine from my leg and poured some in the cup. My urine was still between 96 and 98F and stayed warm for about another 3 hours after the test.

I'll comment back when I get my results back, but it sounds like I passed

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