Well I think even calling it a study is a bit much, it was just a survey it sounds like, but still. Only 3/32 could name Jefferson as a President but almost all could say he was a slave owner. Most thought Ben Franklin was president. I'm Canadian and I know more US History than these kids
I was just trying to understand your confident assertion that "most Americans" think slavery was "invented" by the US.
Most Americans don't know anything about US History lol My bf's Dad told me his fave president was Nixon along with his reasons. 4/5 were inaccurate LMAO Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
Well I'm talking about college students here, I don't claim to have any information on how informed the entire USA is. What made it remarkable is that this is higher education we're talking about, these people are supposed to be the most informed and knowledgeable people of society.
I question my own viewpoints all the time, and try to think critically about everything. The more popular or accepted an idea is, the more scrutiny I give it, because most people don't. So yeah when people say that America is somehow racist on a societal or institutional level, I question it. At the very least, it's a debate to be had, it's not a foregone conclusion at all.
That's a bit of a generalization there. How do you know what most Americans do or do not know when you don't even know, or speak to most Americans?
You don't go to college to get educated these days. You go to get indoctrinated. Rather than teaching people how to think, they teach them what to think.
College is great and necessary for many people and many professions, stop sipping the kool-aid. "Yeah more education is stupid!" Indoctrination is everywhere and in everything. It's up to the individual to realize when they're being taken for a ride. College is unnecessarily expensive though.
It was meant to be a generalization. Just as BG made a generalization about "liberal college students". There is a big issue of American students falling behind other nations in all subjects. #30? Something like that. That translates into history as well. 32 million Americans are illiterate and nearly 1/4 of adults in the US can't read beyond a 4th grade level. I'm sure there are plenty of studies out there that can prove as a nation we are lacking in historical knowledge. I doubt that is exclusive to the US, but I believe as the wealthiest nation on Earth we shouldn't have that many illiterate nor be so deficient in our overall academic performance. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
Illiteracy or poor literacy is probably a huge factor in ignorance of history. I mean, if you can only read at a 4th grade level how are you supposed to read about history and comprehend it? Still this doesn't really apply to people who go to college because come on, if you made it to college you can read, so it just becomes a laziness issue.
I think it stems beyond college though. Most people I remember in school would always be like "ugh why do we have to learn history? When am I ever gonna use that in the real world..." And it's the same mentality in college. If you're not actually a history major or polysci, you have to take 1 maybe 2 history classes if that. No reason to believe they'd be knowledgeable in history. Sure we have higher standards of people who attend university in that we expect them to know ''more', but the reality is truly far from it. I don't know why "liberal" was even a factor. Regardless of political affiliation, knowledge in history is lacking for a lot of people. Of course, people who are deficient in reading and comprehension are less likely to be history buffs as is. Illiteracy and even deficiency in reading skills is a huge hinderance on gaining any type of knowledge. (Except math maybe?) Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
Well I never said "liberal" college students, I just said college students. Both sides of the spectrum can be incredibly ignorant, and people tend to oversimplify things when they're trying to make a political point. That's how I think we end up with ridiculous notions like "America invented slavery" or "imperialism was unique to European nations". Hell, I've had people in this thread tell me things like "people didn't have much of a concept of racial prejudice before European colonialism". People do this type of political BS with more than just history of course, but to anybody who took the time to learn about previous societies could tell you that our modern Western world is one of the least racially prejudiced societies in history.
My bad, I was high and could've sworn you said liberal college students. Probably just confused it with the thread title. Yeah America didn't invent slavery, and imperialism was deff not unique to European nations. Yes, you can make an argument that Europe (at least in the past 250 years) made the biggest imperialist moves globally, especially considering the race for Africa. But imperialism had been going on in the East as well - Mongol Empire, Persian empire, Ottomans etc.
Yeah the Ottomans are the best example to compare European imperialism to because it existed around the same time as these European powers people talk about. But before that it was the Mongols dominating the Old World, and there as well you can see the pros and cons of their expansionism. The Mongol conquests resulted in some of the worst massacres in recorded history up to that point, and many centers of knowledge, learning, and science were destroyed, like when Hulagu Khan sacked Baghdad. But they also expanded trade by bringing the Silk Road under(mostly) one power, and they were also remarkably tolerant of foreign religions. As long as you submitted to the Khan's authority, they didn't really care what religion you practiced. They traditionally practiced a form of shamanism themselves, but many Mongols became Christians, Buddhists and Muslims as well. So when people try to say that European imperialism was some great evil that nobody benefited from besides the actual powers themselves, I get frustrated. It's not a black or white, good guys vs bad guys kind of situation. For instance, Cortez and his Conquistadors get a lot of hate for pillaging the Aztec Empire, and it's true that they did commit atrocities, but the Aztecs were pretty horrible themselves. They subjugated surrounding peoples, practiced mass human sacrifice, and when Cortez showed up, he had no trouble finding allies among these oppressed peoples. The Tlaxcalans(sic?) for example were more than happy to provide Cortez with troops, supplies and information. I'll cut this off before I go on too much of a tangent, but my point is people need to learn more history if they think any conflict is a purely good vs evil affair. And I especially hate it when people try to say that the European nations were somehow morally inferior to the rest of the world.
Male shaming is all the rage nowadays. TRENDING: Universities work to purge male students of their ‘toxic’ masculinity - The College Fix VIDEO: Undoing a legacy of ‘harm, oppression and dominance’ Universities across the nation are taking steps to actively purge male students of what’s been labeled “toxic masculinity.” Examples abound of campuses hosting training sessions, group meetings, lectures and other programs to effectively cleanse what many campus leaders and left-leaning scholars contend is an unhealthy masculinity in young men today. On campus, toxic masculinity is often blamed for sexual violence, body shaming, a “hyper-masculinized sporting culture,” acts of domestic terrorism and much more. For example, a class at Dartmouth College this semester, “The Orlando Syllabus,” identifiesso-called toxic masculinity as playing a role in the mass murder spree at a Florida club during the summer. This despite the fact that the gunman, Omar Mateen, told police on the phone as he committed the massacre he did it on behalf of ISIS. Other instances of combating toxic masculinity on campus can be found at both the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and Duke University, which launched programs specifically designed for male students to delve into “violent masculinity” and “healthier masculinity” and discuss issues like gender fluidity. “How has the concept of masculinity contributed to the perpetration of violence in our society?” asks the UNC Men’s Project website. Duke University started a similar program this semester for male students to reflect on topics such as patriarchy, male privilege, rape culture, pornography, machismo and “the language of dominance,” Fox News reported. At a mandatory freshmen orientation training at Gettysburg College in August, male students had to watch a documentary which stated in part that the “three most destructive words” a boy can hear growing up is “be a man.” The freshmen also went through breakout sessions in which they were told mass shooting sprees are rooted in toxic masculinity. The “Thrive” club, part of the Claremont colleges consortium which meets as a “safe space” to talk about mental health, advertises that “masculinity can be extremely toxic to our mental health, both to the people who are pressured to preform it and the people who are inevitably influenced by it.” The group refuses to disclose the contents of its discussions due to “confidentiality concerns,” but students who attended one of the sessions reported that there was “a common consensus that masculinity is harmful both to those who express it and those affected by it,” the Claremont Independent reported. Various promotional videos promoting health masculinity advocate challenging “the traditional norms of what we envision masculinity to be” by recognizing “male privilege.” Goals touted through the education include undoing a legacy of “harm, oppression and dominance.” This trend did not emerge over night. Last year, Vanderbilt University hosted “Healthy Masculinities Week,” led in part by Jackson Katz, the first man to minor in women studies at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. Katz criticized actors such as Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone for their muscular physiques, which have gotten “larger” over the years. According to the presentation, “hyper-masculinized sporting culture” has also advanced unhealthy masculinity.
You'd think Duke would have learned from their mistakes, considering how they're famous for a false rape accusation incident.
CNN Reporter yells 'Poor White People' Mocking Trump supporters whom have been attacked by Radical Leftists Wow. Such a fucking shallow piece of trash. I'm not really surprised though.
Why is that when these hoaxes happen, they're blasted all over the news. But when they're proven to be false and carried out by real racists, the story gets swept under the rug? I guess we don't wanna upset the scumfucks of our society.