Microsoft; Can't Live With 'Em, Can't Live Without 'Em!

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by Digit, Oct 8, 2004.

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What Opperating system do you use?

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  6. Linux (Free distribution)

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  1. please, PLEASE read these links...
    what you do after is up to you.

    http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/opinions/monobenefit.html (fixed link)

    http://www.geocities.com/msjudgmentletter/

    what\'s so bad about microsoft?

    and here\'s a good one all you peeps here should pay specific attention too, especially when you consider the horrors of the \"Patriot\" Act.
    Microsoft\'s really, REALLY hidden files MUST READ!

    and a few more just for fun, though you should be convinced by now.
    http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.html
    http://www.msboycott.com/super/random.shtml
    http://www.linuxlookup.com/iso.php
    http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com (my fave, just because its so satisfying to type it in!)

    still think its too scary to make the move?
    first stop would be to get a CD of KNOPPIX, you neednt do anything scary to your computer, its perfectly safe, and it boots from the CD! you may want to get a program like GetRight to help download it, especially if you have a slow or unreliable connection.
    here\'s some training stuff i found too if you want to learn a little before you leap.
    http://www.intelinfo.com/cat1.html LINUX ADMIN REFRESHER TRAINING! FREE! another search for linux training here: http://www.edcomp.com/results/linux.html
    here\'s the roadmap... http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwor...l-roadmap1.html to get you started in your training. use the links at the bottom as well as continuing on through the roadmap.

    anyways, enjoy. I hope you now wish, like i do, to walk the road to freedom.
    don\'t be a microsheep forever getting raped and blindfolded by the evil sheep shagging shepherd that is microshaft, BREAK FREE! BREAK FREE!
     
  2. Your first link doesn\'t work, Digit, FYI.
     
  3. Yes we all know how evil microsoft is, but I likes my games. Currently i have Mandrake Linux and win xp running.
     

  4. thnx hempress. cant be arsed to figure out why not, or where the real link has gone. damn, it was a good one if i recall.
     
  5. wow, thats wild.


    fortunetly i dont think im very important to anyone. not really anything to bust me for. and being that im your average white male in north america, any profiling they can do on me from my info is gonna be pretty generic.



    anyways thanks for the info digit, if you get any more, keep it comming.



    edit: being that we are outside of the united states, do they still have the power to keep tabs on us like this? is there any legality side to it?
     
  6. i think you kinda missed many of the points adam. its not just a matter of \"they can bust you\". you seem interested so i\'ll leave it to you to explore the rest of the reasons.

    being that we are outside the US means nothing. Microsoft still sucks.however, its not so much microsoft that means we all can be kept in check.

    Echelon is the worlds most over the top surveilance system that monitors \"All electronic comunication\" (this post and yours included). Sure we each have our own nations privacy laws, but they easily found a way around them. i never get the list of countrys right except for three, UK, USA and Canada. the other two originally on the list are Australia and NewZealand i think. so we are all protected from such invasions of privacy in our own country right? well, yeah. you government arent allowed to spy on you legally without propper cause (though they do these days, more on that later), so what they did was to have another nation spy on you. kinda like a \"you watch our citizens and we\'ll watch yours\" type deal, and then they just go and share the information with your own respective governments anyway.

    I\'m long past the point of caring that i say all the red flag words and get tagged over and over. the people deserve to know, the people need to know.

    \"fortunetly i dont think im very important to anyone\"
    and thats exactly how they get away with such a breach of our rights... nearly everyone says that. infact, i\'m starting to think that we\'ve all been conditioned to think like that and respond accordingly to stop us from digging further. i just dig by my very nature. I almost accidentally exposed a grow op from my natural inquisitiveness a while back (ok to say now as its all long gone). anyways, i digress. Don\'t let them slowly take away your rights, or convince you that you have them when you dont. if democracy is to ever get out of the sham it is in, we must all do our duty to question government, to know its ills and correct it accordingly when shit isn\'t hunky-dory.

    ps, i fixed that link. must have copied it from somewhere that squished it down. it was first as i felt it was most compelling.
     
  7. im do not like microsoft much myself. They have become the standard, everyone expects to have windows on their computer when they buy them, it is really all they know. It is quite easy to learn an new OS. Several of my classes at school are classes like microsoft network admin and we use mainly microsoft office programs like frontpage and access too. We also have classes teachin unix, novel network admin, and some other non microsoft products. There are accually better products than microsoft makes, cheaper too. I guess people dont like to change.
     
  8. It looks like I\'m the only Mac user on the City!

    Go Macs!

    And my laptop used to dual-boot OS X and Gnome (Linux), but there was a big problem I think in the way my friends set up the dual-boot, and the computer went to shit. So I had to start from scratch and install just OS X.
     
  9. Don\'t believe everything you read on the internet. Especially from urls called \"fuck microsoft\" I mean come on, Do you honestly expect me to believe anything you say when your url is fuck microsft? don\'t be fucking rediculous.


    I use XP, and Slackware Linux.

    XP is for games, and then I use slackware and cinelerra to do all of my film editing shit. I would use macs, but let\'s face it. They suck. Plain and simple. Don\'t try to argue with me, I\'m right. If macs are so good, then why does the mouse have one button? It\'s obviously for people who don\'t know what the hell they\'re doing
     
  10. I run a dule boot. One has Windows NT and the other runs Red Hat Linx. I won\'t use Windows at all but with school I need to be able to transfur filles from here to there. Megan
     
  11. There are better free programs than the programs that microsoft puts out. They have just become the standard.

    http://www.gimp.org/ is alot better than microsoft paint. It is a free download.
     
  12. yeah, gimp is so good, it rivals paintshop pro and even photoshop itself! and its the linux equivalent of ms paint as the standard shipped bitmap editor!

    standardisation is a great thing for just about every technological advance. however, when that standardisation is coupled with monopoly and non cooperative practices (NTFS for example), we all suffer from the limiting of progress.

    microsoft. shit software development, genius business practices.
     
  13. They became popular because in the 1980\'s, people thought software should be free and come with your computer. I believe they were the first company to market software.

    I agree standards are good in most cases, it makes it easier since everything is the same, like all computers come with windows OS, but microsoft does have a monoply on the business. Damn bill gates for dropping out of college and making billions! If he would have stayed in, microsoft might not even be around today.
     
  14. There are many far superior products to Microsoft, but from an IT Manager/Network Admin\'s point of view I can give you a little insight why many of those classes are geared strictly towards Microsoft products.

    Most companys use MS for their client\'s OS\'s, and many many companies use Win2k Server, Server 20003, etc. to run their server platforms. So much of the business world uses Microsoft products that most colleges gear their classes to the standard.

    Their security is subpar from an Admin point of view, but really that could be said about any software company. The problem with all the Windows platforms is that there are literally millions of lines of code, all written by different people. Bascially a few too many hands in the pot. To sit down and pour through all the code and bring it up to snuff, is a tremendous undertaking.

    Now here\'s something interesting while we are on the topic of security.

    According to a study by the British security firm mi2g, Linux is the world\'s \"most breached\" OS and is exploited more frequently than Windows. The company recently analyzed more than 235,000 successful attacks against computers that were permanently connected to the Internet during the past year and concluded that Linux was responsible for most of the successful exploits.

    According to mi2g, Linux-based computers accounted for more than 65 percent of all successful electronic attacks during the past year, whereas Windows-based systems were responsible for only 25 percent. Attacks against Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD)-based systems were successful less than 5 percent of the time.

    It should be noted (although mi2g didn\'t) that BSD-based machines make up a small percentage of the installed base of permanently connected machines. In all probability, those machines weren\'t attacked simply because there was little incentive to do so, not because of any inherent superiority over Linux- or Windows-based systems.
     
  15. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/11/2217255&tid=154

    slahdot tread debating on the anouncement ms did:
    Firefox is no threat to internet explorer.


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    here are the relevant quotes :

    Most people don\'t actually care. The vast majority of people simply don\'t know what a program is, what an operating system is, what a CPU is or whatever. To them, you click this little button to print, that little button to shutdown, and you click on \"Internet Explorer\" to \"Explore the internet\". That\'s why its such a great name for a web browser, and also the reason why Apple introduced a little \"Browse the Internet\" icon in MacOS 8 which launched your default browser. The real reason why Firefox is not a threat is because People Are Dumb.
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    The vast majority of people simply don\'t know what a program is, what an operating system is, what a CPU is or whatever... The real reason why Firefox is not a threat is because People Are Dumb.

    I\'m a programmer by trade, and I know all of these things, and I use Firefox. Am I dumb? Apparently not.

    I know nothing about motor mechanics; if my car develops a fault, I take it to a garage. Am I dumb now?

    I know nothing about building. If I needed an extension built, or a wall knocked through, or whatever, I\'d go to a builder. Am I dumb now?

    I know nothing about teaching. I may know the subject, but I know nothing about planning and preparing lessons, setting homework, or keeping a class full of students interested and engaged. Am I dumb now?

    Because by extending your reasoning to other fields, I am, and so are you, and everyone else here.

    People here need to stop being so elitist, and denigrating people just because they know less about computers than some arbitrarily determined minimum level below which the person must be \"dumb\".
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    If you drive your car into a tree because you don\'t know how to steer, you are dumb

    If your car comes to a halt because you don\'t know to put gas in it, you are dumb.

    If you cause a lot of damage to your car because you burn it out because you never replace the oil, you are dumb.

    There is a certain minimal skill and intelligence level required to simply drive and maintain a car safely. Most people have it.

    There is a certain minimal skill and intelligence level required to simply operate and maintain a computer safely. Most people don\'t seem to want to get it
     
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