Metal as religion

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by NuclearGuru, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. #1 NuclearGuru, Dec 22, 2010
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    Some good stuff to chew over:


    Lyrically, early black metal fused virulent anti-christian politics with Nietzschean-inspired satanism and ecological mysticism. As the scene grew into the 1990s, however, satanism became a problematic notion and several figures tried to find new ideological backing to their music. One solution, adopted by figures like Ihsahn, the vocalist for Emperor, was to treat satanism as merely a metaphor for Nietzschean individual freedom. Another far more problematic move was that taken by Varg Vikernes of Burzum, who dropped satanism in favor of Nazism, and emphasized themes of mystical ecologism in opposition to the Judeo-Christian tradition. The third path was to reject satanism for a return to traditional Scandinavian paganism, a move made in the early years by Enslaved and one which has since spawned a new sub-genre: pagan metal.

    What is fascinating here is the consistency with which black metal has pursued religious forms. Satanism is replaced, not by a basic materialist atheism but with almost anything else: Occultism, Nietzsche, paganism, mystical Nazism. Such religious pluralism begs the question as to whether these are just new and interesting attempts at youth rebellion, or whether something more is playing itself out.

    What if metal is drawn to the religious because it aspires towards a similar goal? What if it is not in opposition to religion, but in competition with it? In the 2005 documentary Metal: A head-banger’s journey, a fan is quoted as saying: ”Is heavy metal a sacrament? For some people it is. If it keeps kids alive, if it gives them hope, if it gives them a place to belong, if it gives them a sense of transcendence, then its a spiritual force and I believe it is a pipeline to God.”

    Metal’s obsession with religion is part of its obsession with living at the limit. The goal of metal is extremity—to push music to the boundaries of noise without concern for the comprehensibility of the final product. Black and death metal groups in particular manipulate time structure, tonality, tempo and production quality to ensure that anything resembling a traditional rock, jazz or classical sound is deformed beyond recognition. Of central importance to this manipulation is the need to be heavier, faster, more technical, more “brutal” or more “true” than the past generation. - James Robertson, "Death Metal: A Pipeline to God?" Social Sciences Research Council blog "The Immanent Frame"


    While I agree with much of this, I think metal's conception goes back to the word heavy, the idea of horror movies, and a rebellion against the counterculture.

    Metal sprung from the counterculture... but in opposition to the peace and light, it was the dark and heavy. It wasn't music for taking life non-seriously or coming up with with trivial answers like "love will save the world" (you truly have to be fucking stupid, delusional or corrupt to believe that).

    Metal's message can be found in the song "War Pigs":


    Now in darkness world stops turning,
    ashes where the bodies burning.
    No more War Pigs have the power,
    Hand of God has struck the hour.
    Day of judgment, God is calling,
    on their knees the war pigs crawling.
    Begging mercies for their sins,
    Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
    Oh lord, yeah!


    While humans distract themselves with trivial shit, including the hippie con about love and light, the cruel manipulators are profiting behind the scenes and laying the seed of mythological levels of destruction.

    While every popular music act except metal is espousing the "it's all about you, have some fun, we're all important, it's about humans being individuals" karmic snake oil, metal was telling you to look at history, look at bigger patterns, realize that technology and "good intentions" were not going to save the day. We are insignificant, it said. What matters is not that we're alive, but what we do with the time.

    In other words, metal is an entirely different existential coping strategy than Christianity (an inherent God judges you based on your deeds) or hippies (if you just make happy socially, you'll be OK and part of the group). Metal's idea is this: the world is out there and it's very real, which makes life very intense, so make sure you have an intense life, in part by not doing the stupid self-defeating shit that has dogged humanity like an expert parasite through the modern time.

    It was only when black metal came around that this got fully Nietzschean, and people started talking about how equality was bunk, how most people are too oblivious/distracted to have any competence in making political or social decisions, and how we'd be better off if we slashed down the weaker/stupider and handed glorious victory to the strong, rising above the herd and exterminating them so humanity would evolve to a new level. Eugenics, Social Darwinism and natural selection as a purification of the artificial, sterile, "everyone wins" equality-based world of both the Church and the liberals (1789: "liberty, equality, fraternity").

    But this is an extension of the horror movie theme, which in turn derives itself entirely from the work of Mary Shelley, Jules Verne, and H.G. Wells. Here's the basic plot: something from a foreign culture or undiscovered part of our world emerges and starts wreaking havoc. People panic and the dumb sheep screw it all up by not only failing to respond to it with any intelligence, but also by shouting down anyone who tries to deal with it as a real, functional question instead of an emotional/technological one. Finally, the loners re-invent technologies to defeat it -- or not -- and the few beat the threat, so that the many live. But it's not democratic. The point of horror movies is mainly to make you hate your own species as you see that all but a few cannot discipline their minds to respond to new stimulus. They panic, they make excuses, they steal now-worthless cash, they get drunk, they run away, they flake out. What they don't do is achieve any effective action at all.

    If you want the origins of metal, I think that's it -- modern society grips our society like a plague, and as years go by and the decay gets more advanced, people are still unable to do anything about it because they're caught up in their own emotions and drama. But that point is far too realistic for any academic.
     
  2. nice post OP!
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kftLe4y8_tw]YouTube - Dream Evil: The Book Of Heavy Metal(March of the metallions)[/ame]
     
  3. good read.
    But why only metal and not other music?
     
  4. theres nothing nietzschian about satanism.
     
  5. UP THE IRONS FROM CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously though metal rules, fuck all that shitty pop music and everything else on the radio.
     
  6. 7. Mine Are The Eyes Of God
    Taught To Believe From The Onset, Of Heaven And Hell And Between
    The Institution's Retribution - Damnation From On High
    Living And Dying Together Never Did Nothing At All
    Except For The Few Who Got Rich Off Of You
    And The Rest, They Were Herded Like Sheep

    [Chorus]
    Mine Are The Eyes Of God
    And What I See Is Not What Was Meant To Be
    Mine Are The Eyes Of God
    Mine Are The Eyes
    Mine Are The Eyes Of God

    Down The Road To Betrayal Of Values They Held To Be True
    An Aberration, Deviation To Get To The Spirit Of Life
    The Whole Goddamn World Is Riding On Words For Thousands Of Years
    It's Just Like The West, To Think It Knows Best
    When Answers Are Subject To Change

    [Chorus]

    They Took What Could Have Been
    And Turned It Upside Down
    They Twisted All Things Seen
    What's Lost Must Now Be Found
    I Got To See It
    Got To Believe It
    I Got To Be There
    I Got To See It
    Got To Believe It
    Given The Power Of Reason Yet Throwing It All To The Wind
    No Solution In Evolution - Only The Blood-Stained Glass
    A Soul Full Of Lies In Contention, Begs Sacred Yet Worships Profane
    Lose Sight Of The Fact That You're Where It's At Not The Stars, Not The Cross,
    Nor The Moon

    - corrosion of conformity












    just sayin......
     
  7. Yes there is.
    At least LaVeyan satanism. It's has a lot of points in common with nietzschian philosophy.
    I think you were talking about actual worship of the devil as an entity.
     
  8. I really like the idea, but I don't like the music.
     
  9. Satanism is just outdated regurgitated Nietzschian philosophy with a bit of theatrics and creative writing thrown in to boost sales.
     
  10. Metal is fucking incredible.

    Thats all there is to it.
    <3

    This was a great post, for the most part the metal heads in my scene are very educated and free thinking individuals. It is very awesome that there is a uniting force between all of us.
     
  11. no its completely counterproductive to nietzsche's philosophy; it has much more in common with ayn rand with a little occult thrown in for good measure. nietzsche's superman would probably see satanism as just another fixed idea which needs to be destroyed.
     
  12. You know, when one looks at the bible ( I mean, really sits down and looks at what is being said and the alleged actions of this "god"), Qur'an, or any text of the Abrahamic faiths, I feel that a serious inquirer must wonder how "Satan" got the bad rap he did while "God" is praised.
     

  13. Indeed.
    The idea of the overman is a radical overhaul of what we now see as "man", so radical that the overman will look back on what we are now as we look back on chimpanzees.
    We will be throwing shit at each other over territory, but usually with guns instead of hands.

    Satanism is something that originated from modern man, and therefore, something to be overcome.
     
  14. LOL, anything is cool so long as it has underpinning roots in Nietzchian philosophy!:rolleyes:

    Thank you WhiteIndian for pointing out that Nietzchie would of laughed at the idea of his philosophy inspiring Satanism in any capacity.

    Who do you guys think is mis-interpreted the most through out history?
    Nietzche or Plato?
     
  15. I feel like the last few posters did not comprehend a single word of my post. Why are you getting all worked up over Satanism? That is not what the essay is about. Go read it again.
     
  16. Love =/= Trivial.
     
  17. as a metal head i think your post is just stupid end of story. metal is just metal. its a genre of music people choose to listen to other than pop, rap, jazz, etc. every one of my metal head friends has their own view on religion and metal doesn't influence it in anyway.
     
  18. It's not my fault you didn't grasp the meaning of my post. Take your limited mental capacity elsewhere. Nothing is ever just what it seems to be on the surface. That is true in all cases.
     
  19. Im a musician and a huge metal fan, hahaha and never has metal effected my religious views and beliefs.

    i agree with most of what you said, many metalheads do let music distract there religious beliefs but that's not really the message behind metal, it's music that turns into a way of life and eventually turn into your life.
    Anyways metal is real music real talent and real feelings that non other genres could express except for jazz.
     
  20. #20 NySt0nerPunk, Dec 25, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2010
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmuE7VCvXxI[/ame]

    I don't listen to black metal much.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mux-ysbxBJs[/ame]
     

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