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Medical Marijuana/marihuana Application Ontario, Ca - Confused As Of April 1St

Discussion in 'Medical Cannabis: Treatments & Patient Experiences' started by BlastMaster23, May 8, 2014.

  1. Hello grasscity forum users!
     
    I would like to tell you a long introduction about myself and why I would like to apply, but I will try to keep it short and provide the long explanation after for you detail-oriented people out there.
     
    I have rigorously been researching the past few months on how I would obtain a medical license to posses or grow cannabis. On top of this, I have been reading every page on the Health Canada website (Thinking and assuming it would be an accurate source of information; man was I wrong)
     
    Here is the site if interested: http://hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/index-eng.php
     
    Somewhat recently, as of March 30th or April 1st, Health Canada sent out a notice to all medical cannabis users in Canada informing them they must cut down and dispose of any plants they may be growing and to also dispose, or 'burn' as they put it, of all buds and dried cannabis in possession, all without much notice or with any sort of replacement. On top of all this as of April 1st, Health Canada no longer allows 'licensed personal growing' and you must buy your cannabis from a government qualified producer, which at this point is a list of 12 or 13 companies.
     
    In addition, I have read somewhere (I don't remember where, so you'll have to trust me on this one) that this is no longer applies and I am completely confused and unable to find answers anywhere on this topic and would like to be more sure on the subject before I approach my general practitioner who may know nothing about it. (I come from a small town, less than 15000 population, you may think of us as the city from the 20th century as we still have horse-drawn buggy as transportation for some! So you can imagine the trouble I would have bringing up a topic as recent as this)
     
    What I am asking here is, how would I go about obtaining a medical license for cannabis? What are the rules and regulations? I notice there are still forms available to personally grow on the Health Canada Website (Thanks for being up to date CANADA, if it is no longer available, why keep it on the site?), but I am unsure of how I should go about this. Is there anyone who has applied after April 1st and obtained a license and can release any information on such? Health Canada is very unhelpful and I know if I put in an appeal to them that I may not get a response for weeks or possibly months, if ever.
     
    Thank you for reading my short post (yes it's still long, I apologize but I figure clear and concise is better than some post that makes you question my validity)
     
    Any answers on the topic would be very appreciated, as I am very confused by the Canadian government and their websites and have been unsuccessful with finding information else where. :confused_2:

     
  2. #2 BlastMaster23, May 8, 2014
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    Hello, for those who are interested,
     
    I am a 21 year old who suffers with insomnia, anxiety, and obsess and compulse like you wouldn't believe. (I didn't realize I had OCD until someone really pointed out the differences, hell I've already fixed these sentences at least 3 times) These above symptoms have been ongoing for as long as I can remember, possibly since I was a young child, but it really became noticeable after age 12 where I began to struggle in the evenings. I have always been a checking, touching, cleaning, and organizing freak, but the insomnia and anxiety hit hard around age 12. When trying to fall asleep, I could begin to think of one thing, whether it's checking if the door is locked, some scary ghost/essence is going to attack me, or having second thoughts on ditching my asshole friend, literally any thought, I would begin to obsess over it. Making it ring in my head for hours upon hours, as if my head is a beehive and the bees are my thoughts.
     
    At the age of 12, I remember staying up as late as I possibly could to avoid going to bed as I knew the thoughts would come and I would lay there pointlessly without rest, only to stay up until 6am where my eyes could no longer stand open. This continued through high school and it made certain every day tasks very, very difficult. Especially those essays and speeches! PERFECTION IS KEY! It isn't, but to me, it has to be. I graduated high school in the honors as you would think a perfectionist would, but it was never good enough for my brain's standards. It causes mental anguish to the point where almost any daily task can seem so frustrating that I want to rip my head off. Now you may be thinking, this guy sounds like a little brat, why is he telling us his sap story, we all have problems in this world. Or maybe you aren't and that's another thought I have conjured. Here's why:
     
    Shortly after I turned age 18 in the summer after high school, I had a friend that introduced me to cannabis and asked me to try it for a bit to see if it worked, to say the least, it did. I could sleep all night without waking once until my alarm went off, and I no longer had night terrors; bonus! I no longer felt anxious at seemingly normal occasions! It even allowed me to go about my day like a regular person without obsessing over the stupidest, most ridiculous things! It felt like a miracle solution, as I had researched from ages 16-18 trying to find a solution to my OCD/insomnia with no prevail because OCD is an under-researched disorder since it has so many variations.
     
    I also was misdiagnosed with depression and was sent to counseling from age 16-17, but the counseling sessions did not help as I realized depression was not my issue. So you can understand my frustration with my doctor and Health Canada.  I ended up smoking it for a solid two years as it was a working solution and I went to college and still am in school to this day and will graduate in a couple of years with a degree I never thought I would obtain with these issues. I can get through a school day without wanting to rip my head off and fall asleep at night without waking every fifteen minutes to a half-hour; that is a victory in my mind! I never tried applying for medicinal cannabis as it seemed out of reach for someone with a sporadic disorder like this, as even my own doctor who knew me my whole life misdiagnosed it so there didn't seem like I could possibly get the paperwork through.
     
    The reason I post here is because I am curious and have been unsuccessful in finding answers elsewhere. I currently have stopped smoking for almost a week now, as I would not like to obtain it illegally if at all possible (adding to anxiety), and instantaneously, I started noticing certain re-occurrences:
     
    1. I rolled around in bed every night since and have had to lay in bed for over 12 hours to get less than what feels like 5 hours of sleep.
    2. Anxious, silly thoughts have returned and along with this comes the obsession over these thoughts which in turn, you can imagine is an endless loop or some may call it a 'downward spiral' to depression (hence the diagnosis).
    3. On top of this, late at night, I will compulsively check, triple-check, clean, organize, and touch certain things that simply do not need to be checked, cleaned, or anything. This all has to be done before I can sleep making these symptoms all connect and make each other worse some how it may seem.
     
    In all, I'm sure the reader can imagine how this can begin to affect one's every day life. (especially spending half the day in bed only to wake up more tired than the day previous) I have also heard it is possible to have some of these symptoms when giving up cannabis, but I figure I am not one of those cases as all of the above was present before I even started smoking at 18.
     
    I live in a small, rural town, with less than 15,000 people and it seems that the battle for legalization is still on-going and is bound to hit us near last. I have found the solution myself, and I have documented past references of my symptoms, but I don't think that's what the doctor would like to hear, nor do I know how I would go about telling/asking him about it, especially with my past of my general practitioner diagnosing me with depression, I would prefer not to walk in there not knowing anything and have him try to put me on all these different hard drugs that always have worse side effects. I know cannabis works and if I were able to obtain it legally, I would have no anxiety about being busted and could also use it in certain public cases when I would need it most. But how can I convince my general practitioner to skip the hard drugs that will make me feel worse and lean towards prescribing medicinal cannabis? I am still unsure about how to even apply for it since the Health Canada website is so unclear.
     
    Absolutely any information on the topic whether it relates to a different solution to my issues or how to obtain a license in Ontario, it would be greatly appreciated. I know this is just a forum, but everyone has a story and has to start somewhere; thank you for reading mine.
     
    EDIT: I would also like to add that I have noticed over the time I smoked that certain strains did give more beneficial effects and would deny any obsessive thinking patterns, where as some other strains could cause worsening effects. The traditional illegal alternative can cause more anxiety and is ultimately less safe as strains change and I was simply smoking what ever the dealer had. So I would prefer to have this prescribed to me in a safe, clean manner or at least be able to experiment with different strains until I find the right one that works for my issues.
     
    Again, if anyone knows anything about the above and may know another answer to these issues, please say something as any information is useful to me. Cannabis may not be the number one answer/solution, but I have found that it most cases, it is.
     
  3. #3 whatwhatwhatwhat, May 12, 2014
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    Hi,
     
    The HC website is indeed as user-unfriendly as possible.  Here's the current situation in Canada in a nutshell:
    • The MMAR (old regs) were replaced by the MMPR (new regs).
    • The old regs were repealed as of April 1 this year, however, there's a court challenge happening right now, and the court issued an injunction until the trial happens.  The injunction preserves some of the provisions of the MMAR, but only for a group of existing patients under that regime.
    • As a new applicant, the injunction does not apply to you.  You'll fall under the new regs.  That means you cannot legally grow your own.  You will have to purchase from one of the new licensed producers.
    • The regs allow you to possess a maximum of 30x the daily dose recommended in your medical document, or 150g, whichever is less.
    • You need to obtain a "medical document" from your doctor, and register with one of the licensed producers.  You send your medical document to them and then you can buy from that producer.
    • If none of your local doctors are supportive, you can go through a clinic that specializes in medical cannabis (can do by skype). They'll be able to determine if it's appropriate for you.  Not cheap though ($400).
    Hope this helps.
     
    Edit: here's a good article in HuffPo about the new process
     
  4. #4 BlastMaster23, May 12, 2014
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    Thank you @[member="whatwhatwhatwhat"], that is very helpful.
     
    One more question, if you are unable to answer that is ok; Do you know if the original way of applying through Health Canada is closed in general? I mean, do I have to print off the documents on the HC website and bring them to my doctor, or do I go straight to my doctor and ask about a 'medical document' to prescribe cannabis?
     
  5. I just went through the process in Feb, and this was my experience. I went on the health canada site and found the list of licenced producers. I carefully reviewed each company's information on strains offered, pricing, shipping and general policies. I picked one, then went to their website to get the "medical document". I printed out those forms and brought them to my doctor to sign. I then sent the forms back by registered mail. Several days later I got a registration packet in the mail and phoned in my first order. I received the order about 5 days later.

    I believe as of March the only way to "apply" is through the licenced producers.
     
  6. please tell me they are not sending out more swag radiated plant product. How can they send it in the mail it is illegal??
     
  7. As far as I know, all medical pot must be shipped by mail or courier in Canada under the new program. You have to sign for it once it arrives.

    As for the quality, it seems great. Equal or perhaps even better than what I've purchased in the past. I seriously can't complain about it at all. Different licenced producers have lower standards I guess.
     
  8. well it is another loophole just like the patents on cannabis while it is illegal at the same time. they are able to send illegal product by mail because they make the rules but anyone else sending cannabis in the mail will go to jail.
     
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    The original application process going through HC is no longer in place.  My application experience was similar to @[member="Asharis"], the licensed producer I went with had an application package you could download from their website, and it included the medical document form.  The doctor I saw had his own form he liked to use for that, but if your doc wants to do that make sure what they write up has all of the required info on it.
     
  10. Honestly I would apply under the old regulations just to fuck with them, right now Canada is so mixed up and they aren't really sure where to go with their laws regarding MMJ.  Right now I believe there are 10-15 licensed growers who provide to dispensaries which you can walk into and buy meds.  As far as the mail order goes I am not sure that is up and running yet.  They placed and injuction on the April 1st laws because they were not ready to supply patients(probably didn't realize how long it takes to grow and process plants IMO) so until that is settled existing patients can do what they were doing.  All new patients are not allowed to grow and need to choose 1 grower to use(unlike cali where you can use whoever and switch whenever) I believe in the next 2 months the rules and regs will be cleared up.
     
    As far as getting a prescription, you will need past medical records and need to talk to your doctor, unfortunately HC fucked up and said ok the docs need to prescribe you, and they are skeptical since there is very little research on cannabis and they don't know the long term effects of it and don't want to be held responsible for any negative effects. 
     
    Talk to your doctor or try that Skype thing.  You will have to buy your medicine.
     
  11. they know it works but not sure exactly how it works or for how long and to what extent. There are plenty of people to experiment on and just put an ad in the paper, come and try this weed we need to know what it does to you. people would be flocked around the corner signing up for experimental testing of weed and even sign docs relinquishing all responsibility from docs. I know a dude who did get researched from the gov but they found that he did already consume to much cannabis and they were looking for absolute beginners for the tests.
     
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