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Medical marijuana in hospitals

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by dabs710, Oct 1, 2015.

  1. So far, we have medical or recreational laws in just about half the states, and none of them have provisions about using MMJ in hospitals. The most ill patients often end up in the hospital for one reason or another, so how is it right to call this "medical marijuana" and tell people they can't use it in hospitals? I get they might not want people to be smoking in the hospital, but there are vaporizers now, and edibles at the bear minimum. I don't understand why this is rarely mentioned, because this is very important for medical marijuana users to be able to medicate at their worst points.

     
  2. If they are to the point they are in the hospital, then the condition has likely progressed to the point at which MMJ is no longer a viable treatment option. And with as much oxygen as they have in use, even a vaporizer could be problematic.


    Given the posts from some about issues with mass-produced edibles, those same issues would exist in a hospital setting. After all, the hospital isn't going to want to have to fund another position for someone to cook them, which means purchasing on the open market, albeit under contract (which means less than top shelf quality when it comes to MOST institutional settings and contracts).

     
  3. #3 dabs710, Oct 1, 2015
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    Why is this? Its use in the more restrictive MMJ states are limited to diseases where you usually do frequently end up in the hospital. Even in restrictive countries like Israel they let people vape / eat it at the hospitals.


    That's a little bit of a separate problem that's hopefully solved in the future, more the fault of the current laws / market. I do okay with making my own. We aren't talking about them cooking edibles, just about you being able to use it there.The problem isn't limited towards edibles either, it starts with the grower. It could be in the bud you smoke too.


    I don't know why someone vaping oil or something of the like would be problematic, but there is really no justification for a ban on edibles / oral medicine.

     
  4. The MMJ is to help alleviate, not treat, the symptoms. However, if one is at the end stage, then you are basically into hospice mode for many of those conditions, which mean you are likely on a morphine drip. Alternately, you have been placed into care for surgery, which again, means you have more serious medications going through the body. And since the subject was brought about in general terms, general and vague is all that I can offer in response...


    As to the vaping, you really don't want to be introducing additional sources of spark into an arena where concentrated oxygen is flowing (and someone in many of the conditions for which MMJ is indicated would be on oxygen). While the risk may be small, the hospital has to be concerned about liability should the low risk materialize...



     
  5. #5 dabs710, Oct 1, 2015
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    I very strongly beg to differ. MMJ alleviates and treats the symptoms in many diseases, including epilepsy, ALS, cancer, MS, etc. It also allows people to tolerate many serious medications they couldn't or would have a lot of trouble tolerating - chemotherapy being a strong example. In the case you stated of morphine, the addition of cannabis can provide stronger pain relief and a lower dose needed. A hospital stay is not always for dangerous end of life situations either.



    If smoking is a problem you should be allowed to go out and toke like they do in the video, as well as eat edibles and vaporize inside.
     
  6. not to long after that the doctors will all have ti dye shirts with peace signs and a spliff hanging on the lip. we all will get some hookah vapes with internal wall tubing that anyone can plug into from the rooms and they have a 1 lb herb capacity main vape to fill and get up to temp ready on demand down in the basement. basement has also a grow room- insurance has long left the building as everyone is so drugged up and no one knows who's on what...
     
  7. #7 dabs710, Oct 4, 2015
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    I guess that it's not really medicine then. If it doesn't belong in hospitals it's just a recreational drug.
     
  8. Until the feds lift it from a schedule one drug, the hospitals and just about any health related program will not touch it.


     
  9. What are you talking about? Lots of people with pain issues end up in hospitals, arthritis makes many pain patients need joint replacements.

    In the past I was hospitalized for traction and pain relief. Cannabis would have been much better for the pain. But I was not terminal.

    I will be having a revision of my right hip replacement in semi near future and I plan to bring tincture's, edibles and maybe a vape. Seems do me that using the vape would be useful say 15 minutes before PT.

    I have a license for my cannabis, so I am not too worried?

    Bottom line there are many many folks who are not terminal who could benefit from cannabis products while hospitalized.
     
  10. They're starting have dispensaries in hospitals in NY and IL.


    The hospitals themselves don't have to provide it, which would take away liability. They don't have to have a dispensary inside either, if that liability is a concern (in other states). Just need to find a loophole for MMJ patients to be able to use it without jeopardizing the hospital.

     
  11. Refreshing to hear Dabs. It's pretty stupid here still in my part of the state of Colorado. I work for a doctor on the side and I have had my share of being in the oncology offices and they all refuse to talk about it and those that do, say straight to my face it doesn't help with pain or shrink tumors. Pisses me off.
     
  12. In my experience with doctors it strictly depends on whom you're seeing. Maybe me being in Southern California I get a little more positive / neutral comments, but most doctors I've been to have little to say about it, and I've seen quite a variety of specialists, no oncologist though. I've only had one doctor who was flatly against it, and he was terrible, so no loss really. I imagine oncologists get a lot of marijuana comments from their patients, and a portion of them prefer to go with the "established literature" and "standard protocols".
     
  13. Yeah, too bad that can't grow some balls. But, whatever. Job security and all that. I grew up in HB a long time ago. I would have thought those So. Cal doctors would be pretty conservative on their stance of cannabis as medicine.

     
  14. Maybe I'm an oddball out, but I've had more positive than negative. I'm excluding "pot docs" from the mix as well.
     
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