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Marijuana "withdrawal"?

Discussion in 'Seasoned Marijuana Users' started by Amator herbae, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. I have a friend who moved to a state with legal recreational and medical cannabis so that they could avail themselves of the cannabis to help with a massive benzodiazepine taper. Said friend has been on a high THC tincture for months and discontinued it for a tolerance break. A day or so after that, they started to experience weird symptoms such as chills, nausea, brain fog, trembling and the list goes on. Said friend's psychiatrist is anti-cannabis and told them that these symptoms were "classic marijuana withdrawal symptoms." The thing is that said friend has gone on tolerance breaks before without and trouble. As for me, I have never heard of "marijuana withdrawal" and according to my experience and everything I've read it's not physiologically addictive, at least to any great extent. Is my friend's psychiatrist full of it? I have never heard of "classical marijuana withdrawal" second hand, third hand or otherwise and I've never experienced it myself. Also, sources such as Wikipedia that were at one time neutral with regard to cannabis now mention that chronic use can cause psychosis and "Cannabinoid Hyperemisis Syndrome", the latter being very dubious because of the dubiousness of the studies on which it's based. Are both my friend's psychiatrist and Wikipedia full of it?
     
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  2. No appetite, irritability, Insomnia, minor depression, just to name a few off the top of my head are all pretty obvious symptoms of Marijuana withdrawl.

    To say "Marijuana has no withdrawl symptoms" is pretty foolish to me.

    are you going to shit all over yourself like someone kicking heroin? No.
    doesnt mean it isnt withdrawl.

    while i believe CHS is probably a real thing, Doctors/medical people constantly throw the term around and misdiagnose people with it all the time.
     
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  3. There is a bit of withdrawal with cannabis. Your body "gets lazy" about producing endocannabinoids (necessary for normal functioning) because THC and CBD can do the same jobs in your body. It's like using margarine in a recipe instead of butter- in most cases it works. It often takes a few days to get back to normal endocannabinoid levels.

    Exercising is a natural way of increasing your body's level of endocannabinoids and reducing the mild withdrawal symptoms. :hello: That "Runner's High" is an endocannabinoid high!

    About that "risk of psychosis", it's WAY over-blown, as this study shows.

    “In men the annual mean NNP (number needed to prevent one case of schizophrenia) for heavy cannabis and schizophrenia ranged from 2800 in those aged 20-24 years to 4700 in those aged 35-39. In women, mean NNP for heavy cannabis use and schizophrenia ranged from 5470 in those aged 25-29 to 10 870 in 35-39-year-olds. Equivalent mean NNP for heavy cannabis use and psychosis were lower, from 1360 in men aged 20-24 and 2480 in women aged 16-19. The mean and median number of light cannabis users that would need to be prevented in order to prevent one case of schizophrenia or psychosis per year are four to five times greater than among heavy users.” From “If cannabis caused schizophrenia-how many cannabis users may need to be prevented in order to prevent one case of schizophrenia? England and Wales calculations”. If cannabis caused schizophrenia--how many cannabis users may need to be prevented in order to prevent one case of schizophrenia? England and Wales calculations - PubMed

    So, according to this study, you would need to prevent between 1,360 and 10,870 people (depending on age, gender and usage) from heavily using cannabis to POSSIBLY prevent just ONE single case of schizophrenia! And for light users, multiply that by 4 or 5!

    Also, "A controlled family study of cannabis users with and without psychosis" A Controlled Family Study of Cannabis Users with and without Psychosis found "The results of the current study suggest that having an increased familial morbid risk for schizophrenia may be the underlying basis for schizophrenia in cannabis users and not cannabis use by itself."

    So in that respect, the psychiatrist is "full of it".

    Cannabinoid hyperemesis is real, but may actually be due to contaminated cannabis rather than an overdose of THC.

    Fool's gold: diseased marijuana and cannabis hyperemesis syndrome. (USA)
    (letter – 2021) Fool’s gold: diseased marijuana and cannabis hyperemesis syndrome

    Is Neem Oil Causing Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome? (article - 2019)
    Is Neem Oil Causing Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome?

    Granny :wave:
     
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  4. Instead of asking on a web board like this, simply web search with "cannabis withdrawal" that will receive several pages of link hits including many from commercial weed sites.

    The human body's ECS endocannabidiol systems has wide ranging effects throughout our bodies. There are many youtube videos one can search for with say "endocannabidiol system" and watch to understand that. Using cannabis regularly is certain to affect that system in complex ways that will affect and change our homeostasis chemistries. Part of what that system does due to synaptic level neuroplasticity, is if repeated enough, makes long term potentiation aka permanent changes to the nervous system. Such changes are likely to vary between individuals due to our immensely complex earth creature body chemistries. There are also short term down regulation changes also referred to as THC tolerance we are all aware of however just a week of abstinence reverts one back to near normal and 30 days totally. I suspect in those that develop Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome , aka CHS, their bodies have developed such a long term potentiation change. That may not be permanent if one does something different to modify one's body back to normal.

    A lot of users including this person experience negative gastrointestinal effects from use that are greatly affected by usual eating habits. Types of foods eaten, times of day people eat, regularity doing so, etc. Thus you just might be able to make changes through diet changes. Otherwise medical science at this point is rather clueless about CHS.
     
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  6. I believe the cannabis is contaminated. Unadulterated cannabis does not sicken people to this degree.
     
  7. #7 1973PortlandToker, Jul 28, 2022
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    There was a news article a couple days ago saying that the number of people seeking treatment for marijuana "addiction" has skyrocketed since legalization. It said many people who use the higher potency stuff that's available today are becoming addicted. One of the stories --

    As the potency of weed has increased, so have addictions

    The stories were based on an article that just appeared in the high profile medical journal The Lancet --

    DEFINE_ME

    I haven't read the source article in question, nor am I qualified to read medical journals, but does it make a distinction between a habit (psychological dependency) and a physiological addiction, such as seen in withdrawal from alcohol, tobacco or heroin?
     
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