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Marijuana---> Adverse Effects On Your Gallbladder/Liver?

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by qwerty man, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. Hi....interesting thread. I have a liver issue, Hep C, and I'm finding that cannabis appears to be controlling the symptoms quite well. I'd read that cannabis was bad for the liver but after all the BS and hoo haw I've endured with our beloved pharma/medical establishment I figured they were most likely lying through their pearlies.  I'm about 7 + months into taking RSO, which morphed into cannacaps after finding GC, and I'm real happy with it. I haven't had a blood test in awhile and I may do that, just to see what's what, but for now all systems are green lighted.
    The RSO oil is hard to digest. After I started to take the RSO I began tossing my cookies in the AM's, yuck.... until I switched to the caps. That's not an issue anymore. You might consider trying the coconut oil caps using either BKS's or PsychSam's recipes. The "bio-availability" of the coconut oil might just help.
    Good luck,
    Harley

     
  2. After my last experience with gallstones and what I learned about cannabis I wrote the following and sent it to every state legislator in Florida. Glad to share it here since this was one of the first places I ever found the subject.
     
    Gallstones and Cannabis

    The first time I had gallstones I did several internet searches including a search on cannabis and gallstones. Basically I found nothing that confirmed anything. I did find several forum articles questioning a relation or cause and effect, however no real answers. I learned gallstones started in the liver from toxins or substances that the liver could not process, high fruits corn syrup being a common culprit, but also a large possibility that too much chemical fertilizer in cannabis cultivation may also cause gallstones since the liver can not process those chemicals. The forum articles I found related to cannabis and gallstones basically left the impression that many cannabis users discontinued use for a while out of fear the cannabis triggered the stones. Knowing how much research has been done trying to find negative effects of cannabis if felt certain it was not the cannabis itself but my  research implied that if the cannabis was over-fertilized, that may well be the case since the liver can not process the chemicals. However, this most recent gallstone event, my third in just over one year has opened my eyes to even more medical benefits of cannabis and is again something I need to let everyone know about. 

    By day ten of this recent gallstone event my right side was in so much pain. The only way I could describe it was that I felt like I was in labor for ten days, giving birth out of my ribs. I was exhausted from the pain and reach a point I was in tears and just could not take anymore. I started to think maybe I should consider the surgery, and was completely understanding why the ER doctor thought I was nuts when I turned down the demerol when I had my first attack. Then I remembered what pain relief the cannabis butter was for the pain in my foot and the instant relief it gave for a broken toe. I had to try it. Before I was finished rubbing it in the relief was so incredibly amazing. It instantly felt like the muscles magically relaxed, I could breathe without it hurting for the first time in days. I still had the sensations of the stones trying to get out of the gall bladder into the bile duct, or whatever part of the process that feels like birthing, but instead of it being a ten on a one to ten pain scale it was a two and so much more bearable. 

    I also discovered a far more civil method of dealing with the toxic effects of the stones passing through the digestive system. My first gallstone attack led me to the ER. The doctor there stated I would eventually need to have my gall bladder removed, she said once you start getting them they keep coming. I went home and did my research. I found many like myself who don't believe we have extra organs to just go around removing otherwise healthy organs, and that unless diseased or infected the gall bladder has a purpose. I would rather hang onto my original parts if I can. I found various ways of dealing with gallstones and opted to try those methods first. I found the pharmaceutical industry offers a medicine but that it usually  takes over two years to work and costs thousands. I then found out about  an all natural product made with herbs from the amazon rain forest that works in weeks using Chanka Piedra, which literally means stone breaker it is combine with 2 other herbs, one for the liver and one for the digestive system. It also came with a booklet of a dietary/flushing guide. I followed it to the tee the first time. Brutal was the only way I could describe it. It was basically the same as any other gall stone flushing guide. Eat very light, lots of olive oil to grease the way for the stones, lemon juice to contract the gall bladder, tons of apple and other juices to keep things moving and flushed so the toxic stones move as quick as possible through the system and you absorb less toxins. Supposedly that is so you do not get so ill from the toxins. Many guides call for drinking epsom salts, claiming it opens all the ducts in the body and flush the digestive system. It cause my tear ducts to close. I felt nearly blinded for a week and had issues with my eyes for several months following. It flushed my digestive system and everything else I ate for days, it was  brutal, I felt like I was poisoned. 

    I am pleased to report none of the aforementioned was experienced in this last event. I decided to try a different method. I ate light, small portions, about a fourth of what I would at a normal meal. I had little to no appetite and eating can cause pain when dealing with gallstones so eating light was not a problem. As the stones hit my system the awful sour bitter nasty taste was something I tried to flush. I used liquids at first and had little very short term relief. After using the cannabis butter topically and discovering that relief, I recalled the antibiotic properties and decided to try eating more edibles. When that sour bitter nasty taste would occur I would take a bite of a cannabis infused brownie. My reasoning was that chasing the toxins with a natural antibiotic might be helpful. I am ever so pleased to report that I no longer was getting as nauseous or felt as toxic as prior. Medicine should be soothing and nothing was more soothing from the taste of the brownie against the sour bitter to the soothing of the digestive system. I was able to remain much more functional than with any gallstones prior. Life felt almost back to normal with an occasional twinge letting me know it's another stone. As soon as the sour bitter taste occurs it's brownie time. Cannabis does increase metabolism so my system was moving adequately without the barbaric flushing. What a kinder way to cope with something so painful that makes one so ill. I passed nine gallstones in one 24 hour period with two still in my upper digestive system and was no where near as ill as when I passed two gallstones in the same time period without the help of the cannabis brownie. 

    It dawned on me, if I could get so much relief from topical use it should be just as effective for Kidney Stones and the pain they cause. I had described what I was feeling like labor pains giving birth out of my ribs. How amazing it would be for real childbirth labor pains. For the thousands of women that resort to Demerol or an epidural, if topical use could ease the pain and avoid the harder more dangerous drugs at birth wouldn't that be amazing and why are we not knowing this already?   

    The last couple of weeks my pancreas has joined in the event and swelled so bad at times I have felt like someone shoved a football under my ribs. It had swelled so much I had a bulge coming out from under my ribs and my whole belly seemed to enlarge. Eating a brownie did nothing to help. I did however, discover smoking cannabis immediately brought the swelling down to a far more comfortable level. Instead excruciating pain and the feeling like my pancreas was about to explode, it brought it to a feeling of minor inflammation and slight enlargement. Most comforting of all was the immediate relief, it removed my fears of not surviving through this.
     
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    That's what I thought...
     
     
  5. To my mind, if there is any risk to your health I would really think about giving up.. I would be afraid to loose the gall bladder just because of the love to MJ.
     
  6. Holy Smokes... Why do people keep bringing up old threads.. I just liked a post that was years olds... ERRRRR....


    Go away ttrolls.
     
  7. Because it could be relevant to somebody's health now? Go away troll.
     
  8. The risk of cannabis contributing to gallbladder or liver problems is probably low compared to the much bigger risk from alcohol, cigarette smoking, obesity, etc.. There simply hasn't been much study on cannabis:
     
    Alcohol, Smoking, Coffee, and Cirrhosis (don't be distracted by the typos, which don't exist in the original paper)
    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/10/1248.short
    Prevalence of Gallstone Disease in Relation to Smoking, Alcohol Use, Obesity, and Glucose Tolerance: A Study of Self-Defense Officials in Japan
    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/7/787.short
    The effect of drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes on the risk of cirrhosis associated with alcohol consumption
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01719277
     
    If you have Hepatitis C, then regular cannabis smoking might increase your risk of complications:
     
    Daily cannabis smoking as a risk factor for progression of fibrosis in chronic hepatitis C
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hep.20733/full
    Daily Cannabis Use: A Novel Risk Factor of Steatosis Severity in Patients With Chronic Hepatitis C
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016508507021166
     
    If you are at a heightened risk for gallbladder problems, then you are probably better off avoiding or limiting your alcohol intake and quitting smoking, then worrying about your cannabis use. That said, smoking cannabis and consuming it as an edible might have different consequences for your gallbladder, because in the former case it's not being processed by your digestive system.
     
  9. #29 Monkey55, Mar 26, 2015
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 26, 2015
    Dude.. I just was joking. This thread was revived a few times. I like to know how old threads are because information changes constantly, especially with cannabis.

    It's really ideal for people to post a new thread rather than bringing up a thread that is years old.


    I was actually referring to the guest or users who have only one post and bring up an old thread, then never post again. Plus, the person didn't have anything useful to add. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just tired of reading threading old threads which someone has brought back to life just to promote their business or add a random thought.

    E
     
  10. Sorry but I have another opinion.. What for should I create another thread if there is already one which was relevant to the issue? I don't understand people who create new threads for every their new thought while there is already a discussion of the same topic. Let's respect the personal choice of each other.
     
    Now, concerning the topic of gallbladder problems, maybe smbd has any useful ,materials on gallbladder cancer treatment? I found this one What Are the Symptoms of Gallbladder Cancer and How Can They Be Treated, but would be thankful for any additional information.
     
    best regards.
     
  11. Why are so many people in this thread being so dense and snarky? The OP was just worried about their gallbladder. Several comments in here are part of the reason that people talk shit about pot smokers.. :/ I too have experienced what several other smokers in this thread have pointed out. Does that mean weed is objectively bad? No. Does it mean that weed is objectively good and ultimately harmless? No. There is good and bad to everything. You can't promote pot-safety then act like a jackass when somebody is truly concerned about that very issue. It makes the rest of us look bad. Also, if pot IS the culprit, then big deal! That hurts none of you if you aren't already experiencing those pains. There are several normal herbs and ingredients that can cause enzyme imbalance or screw with your body's natural rhythms. It isn't totally uncommon. And you DON'T have to turn to other vices if you don't smoke, as some sarcastically suggested to the OP. You don't need weed to exist, even if it DOES benefit many people of varying illnesses. Just please be reasonable stoner so that we don't get a bad rep.
     

  12. OP is 7 years old.
     
  13. Yes, revived again. I have suffered from Crohn's disease for many years now. During some research I came across an article about the benefits of CBD/THC to Crohn's sufferers. Later I heard first hand account of a Crohn's sufferer who replaced all their prescribed medication with CBD/THC oil and has never looked back. With this evidence I purchased some CBD/THC oil from the Canadian government and began a regiment myself. Within a week of taking the oil I ended up in the Emergency with such a pain across my chest the Dr.'s suspected Heart attack or angina. After a barrage of tests and many hours, I was sent home with a specialist appointment for my heart and a bottle of nitro spray. Angina was their conclusion.
    Now, from that day I have had the pain three times one early morning. I have stopped taking the oil and have had no issues since. After the Dr's appointment tomorrow, I will again attempt the oil and see if it causes the painful effect again. I am now convinced it was indeed my bile system, Gall Bladder/Pancreas, which is causing the problem and possibly some stones. So yes, I may also be one negatively affected by cannabis and it's effects on the Gall Bladder/Pancreas.
    Will be sure to come back and report my results in a day or two with restarting the oil.

    Cheers
     
  14. I was a daily cannibas user for 10 years. It helped me with so many different issues until one day it started making me sick. I would feel randomly nauseated, especially in the morning, sometimes I would vomit, and I had severe right side abdominal pain. The pain would get worse if I smoked. I was never a pipe smoker. I would only use bongs, vaporizors (volcano), or do dabs. I refused to believe that marijuana was my problem. I had so many, blood tests and imaging tests. The doctors thought it was just anxiety because everything was coming back normal. Then I had a HIDA scan test on my gallbladder that was abnormal. My gallbladder was supposed to be excreting bile into my small intestine during the test, but it was doing nothing. It was discovered that I had inflamation in my gallbladder, without any gallstones. I was referred to a surgeon to possibly get my gallbladder removed. I decided not to do it right away and see how things went. Shortly after that, I had a nuclear digestive study and got diagnosed with mild gastropsresis. That is slow motility of the stomach. I had started having left side abdominal pain too. Eventually I quit using marijuana and all of my symptoms and problems I just mentioned disappeared. I started using marijuana again and all of my problems came back. I stopped using it once more and all of my issues are gone. It sucks because I like marijuana, but I am happy I am feeling better now. I do believe marijuana can cause gallbladder and digestive issues.
     

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