Magical Butter Machine and Oils?

They probably did studies that showed an hour at 160 would work as well as 3 hours at some other temperature. So my answer is, they probably did studies, that's what I'd do. Also when you get your machine it'd be a good idea to follow the directions for awhile, after that if you think there's a better way you could experiment.

 

From reading other people's posts I have the impression they work pretty good. Is that the one that has a two cup minimum? Someone was complaining about that recently but it may have been a different machine. I think they wanted to make smaller batches.

 

I own 2 Magical Butter Machines, but don't use them much anymore because of the 2 cup minimum.
The MBM recommendation to infuse oil for 1 hr at 160 F is no more authoritative than any random internet post, and isn't optimal.
A few years ago I called them, and 4 hr @ 160 F was recommended by the person I talked to.

Because different people prefer different amounts of post-decarb infusion, insufficient research has been done on it.
My experience is that all post-decarb infusion methods work about the same, and I've found little difference between 1 hr and 4 hr @ 160 F in MBM.
The most important part of infusion might be the use of lecithin, which improves absorption of edibles for most people.
The best recipe I've found so far is BrassNwood's method, adapted to flower.
Many other recipes come close, including MBM.
Metal pans/bowls, grinder, and toaster oven work better than MBM for smaller batches.

Rather than buying MBM, I'd strongly recommend Ardent Lift instead. It's the best MJ appliance I own.
Ardent recently did research that showed Lift can be used for infusion.
I've tried that method, and it works well, if lecithin is also used.
Things can be as simple as inserting 1/2 oz flower into LIft, pressing a button, and waiting 1:45 for smell-free decarb to finish. Then the (now very smelly) herb can be ground to fine powder, mixed with oil or nut butter and lecithin, and put back into Lift for another 1:45 cycle.

 

You still need an oven for decarb so it's another useless kitchen gadget you'll use once and wish you had your $200.00 back.

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I have the MBM and the Ardent. I love both. I've only recently used coconut oil for infusion and didn't have good luck. But that was from not using good bud. I used some leftover trim that I don't think was very potent. But after reading this thread I believe I forgot about the 2 cup minimum in the MBM because I only used 1 and a half cup of oil. That might have been part of the problem. I can't stand the taste of cannabis. Makes me want to throw up. I gag from the flavor. Others that have tried my edibles get HAF and love them. Everyone is different when it comes to flavor. I'm going to make BrassNwood's recipe soon. I still love both machines though. I like the set it and forget it. I don't use the glove and strainer bag though. The bag is a pain in the ass for me. I'd rather use cheese cloth. The glove is fine, but I just put on some nitrile gloves. It's usually not too hot for me to handle. If I were to only buy one machine it would be the ardent. Works perfect for decarboxylation. I don't have the infusion kit that you can get now with it so can't speak to it.

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You don't need the Ardent infusion sleeve.
It's purpose is to allow using 1 oz or smaller amounts of oil to infuse, while keeping the oil away from the potentially crud-encrusted decarb cup.

I've been experimenting with this, BrassNwood's methods, and other things using nutella instead of oil.
I used a small glass beaker inside ArdentLift's decarb cup, and it worked fine.
Any small, heatable container that fits inside the removable decarb cup should work.
The nice thing about the Ardent infusion (insert herb/oil mixture, and run a second time) is that it's very simple, which makes it suitable for tiny amounts of herb without a lot of work.
Comparing methods is difficult and time consuming, but preliminary indications are that the Ardent infusion works pretty well if lecithin is also used.

If a lot of us Ardent users compare notes on these things, we might be able to figure stuff out.

 

Yeah I want to start making smaller batches. Going to start some experiments with it soon.

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I got a MBM and LOVE IT!!! I almost got the Ardent Lift but wanted to make bigger batches and I look at the lift as a Decarb device. The MBM makes it really easy to make butter or oil. I am going to try tincture next.

If you make edibles the MBM is definitely worth it.

 

I ordered an Infusium 420 recently to compare it with the Magical Butter Machine.

The pitcher parts that hold the fluid/herb mixture are identical for Infusium and MBM except for color.
Infusium has a 1 cup minimum, but MBM has a 2 cup minimum.
The "Minimum" line does measure to be 1 cup, and the beater blade does come about 1 inch closer to the bottom of the pitcher for Infusium.

Although it's a bit harder to operate than MBM, on the DIY setting it allows for continuous time and temperature settings.

Preliminary indications is that this is a Magical Butter Machine killer.
This seems to be able to do everything MBM does, plus more.
The frequency of the blades spinning also seems higher than MBM, but I don't have proof.
I'll be retiring my MBMs.

I suspect without sufficient proof that long, room temp soaks increase oil digestibility.
This machine has the ability to check that out.
Right now I've got it set to 90 F for 12 hours to see the effect on already-made oil.
It can also compare all reasonable infusion time/temp combos.

 

I also tried the "Butter Brewer" that consists of a slow motion, rotating blade that mixes the material in a very convenient but large bowl. Blade timing, blade duration, infusion time, and temp are easily set. Unfortunately, there is a gap between blade and pan that allows ground herb to settle beneath the blades, and not get mixed.
It's cheaper than MBM and Infusium, but I'll probably stick with Infusium until something better comes along.