Mag/Potassium Lock out or Deficiency and how can I tell...

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How much peat did you incorporate into your mix and did you use any lime?

 

with 30% of your mix being spagnum peat moss you really need to properly lime your mix or it will acidify over time. A cup of lime per cubic foot of soil to properly buffer the acidification from peat. My guess is you are experiencing lockout due to low PH in the soil.

 

In my opinion you’ve compounded multiple problems and you’ve got your self some serious lockout. However I’m not experienced in organic growing by no means.

Ph 6.8 seems high to me but like I said not familiar with organic stuff.

You have amended soil yet you’re still feed at 1300ppm. Sounds like you’re feeding the shit out of them.

Flowering in a week seems a bit unrealistic considering what they look like. I wouldn’t pot up either because a flush is probably your best option and you’ll want them to dry out as fast as possible.

If this is something that’s happened before maybe you need to change up what you’re doing. Stick with something that works and is simple. Amending your own soil to have some custom blend of whatever seems like something that takes practice and trail and error. So to mix up a bunch of random stuff and expect a good result doesn’t sound very promising but what do I know.




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If you are reffering to those 1-in-3 $5 meters you buy at home depot you'd be better served using them as, umm.. actually I cant think of anything they would be remotely usefull for. They are completely innacurate and I wouldnt even take the readings on them as a general ballpark figure, they are that bad.
Trust me, if 30% of your mix is peat you will need to lime it, if not now then soon.

 

A cup of lime per cubic foot of soil.
If you really want to try out organics its better to follow a tried and true recipe instead of trying to come up with a mix yourself. Its not complicated but you do need to follow certain guidlines (like liming a peat based mix).
If you want a good recipe that many organic blades use look at the no-till thread and follow the recipe outlined in the first post. Would also do you good to skim the first 50 pages or so and also the other stickies in the organic section.

Organics really isnt hard if you follow a recipe. Most of the work is in mixing the soil, once that is done there is not much to it other then a weekly top dress and watching your plants grow (and watering them ofc) but we dont need to mess around with PH meters (and why i dont have one and cannot recommend one) or change our inputs depending on plant stage, my routine if pretty simple and stays the same from veg to harvest.

IMO since you are still in veg you can still perhaps mix some new soil and transplant them.
And feel free to ask away in the no-till thread or the organic lounge if you have issues or questions.

 

I wouldn’t give up just yet play around and try to get them back on track. Use it as a learning experience.

I don’t think growing organic requires as strict ph but I honestly don’t know.

When they are dry if you want to flush. I would be tempted to get like 10 gal (40L) of water and ph it lower then you have been maybe 6.5 or 6.3 I don’t think it would hurt like I said most guys don’t ph at all. That would hopefully bring your soil ph down a bit if it’s to high.

Bring the plants to the bath tub or somewhere you can easily dispose of the run off without the pot sitting in it for long. Then dump 1qt(1L) in each pot and wait a couple min. Then dump another qt in and wait. Keep doing that until you start to see run off. Then maybe dump another in so you should be getting a good flow coming out the bottom. Let them drain for half hour or so and back in the tent.

I found using the fabric bag you can’t water fast or it seeps down the sides and out the side of the bag. It’s super annoying that’s why I went back to plastic I just find it easier.

So now your plant weighs like 30lbs and you need to really let it dry. Hopefully after a day or two it starts to improve.

I’m sure there is some tricks to get it to dry faster but patience is key.




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Hey man I’m a Vegamatrix user also. I’ve experienced a similar problem with the nutrients also. Are you using OG Tea products?

If so, consider maybe you overdid them. I know what your thinking, “overdo a bacterial innoculant?” But the fact is I use VSS, Rootwebstar, Pure, and Vegamatrix Phyre regularly. I know a thing or two about innoculants and Vegamatrix. If you put too much Special Sauce in the soil, it will overcharge, or lock out your nutrients.

That being said. What you have going on is a mixture overdose, and nutrient lockout. Whether from the innoculants, nutrients, or foliars. Have you went over the recommended levels of hard and quick, Boost, or Pryme Zyme recently? Or Did you overdo the amp it recently?

Your pictures seem like an over abundance of nitrogen, slight cal/mag def, and some phosphorus toxicity.

No matter what you’ve done to the soil, or what your worried about don’t scrap your plants. This issue will take a week or two and some stress to solve. First off your cutting off nutes for two weeks. If you don’t have it, get some OG Pure. Your gonna flush your plants. If you can’t get if follow the same instructions minus the Pure. Let the pots dry down as normal. The plants issues are going to get worse unfortunately and it will damage the leaves, leave them on the plant unless they are drying and dying. When you flush, wet the medium down with clean water and Pure. Whatever your pot size is your going to drench/flood and you want to see 1-2x of what you fed come out the bottom of the pot. This will strip any excess salts from the pot and saturate your media with Pure. There are enzymes and bacteria that will eat away the remaining salts and nutrients in the medium. There are flushing directions for pure on the back of the bag. This will help the plants out, a lot. After a day or so your gonna see some color return but the damage, is damaged. For the rest of the week, or remaining watering opportunities your gonna flush with clean, r/o, or distilled water. In the meantime your going to switch to a foliar program for your nutrients. It’s important not to overdo anything or else the results can be catostrophic. There are foliar application instructions for amp it on the side of the bottle, as well as big and sticky. You need to run both at half their lower rates. You don’t want to overdo the already stressed leaves but you also don’t want to create another lockout or deficiency issue. If your using hard and quick your gonna discontinue using that while doing this also. Keep in mind while in this state the plant will be more susceptible to disease, pests and other pathogens, if you don’t use it consider Vegamatrix FTB. Also, you can switch OG products out for Vegamatrix Phyre, if your already using Phyre you can add that to your foliar treatment also at the regular rate of 2ml/gal. After the week or two of flush is done return to the product line by giving them a first watering with your innoculants, pryme zyme@2/3 rage and water, if you need to balance ph use lemon or lime. When you water with vegamatrix you should wet the soil. Use bout half or less of what your watering in the first watering, let the plant sit for 5/6 mins to distribute the moisture. Then your gonna continue to water. When your done, you should have 1/8-1/4 or more waste water from the pot in comparison to the volume you used (ex; you used 5 gallons, you should have at least 1 gallon of waste). This is the drench and drain method, and doing the watering this way will strip and loose salts or non-bioactive material from your media and flush a good amount out, if you don’t let the pot drain this way, you will get a nutrient buildup of non-active salts, which will promote issues in flower. Dispose of the waste water, don’t use it, I use my waste water on outdoor flowers lol, it works Great. Vegamatrix generally will balance the PH itself, it’s acidic. You shouldn’t need to. When you go back into the program fully you need to make sure your using the lower rates on the guidlines at first. Ease your way to the upper rates through the rest of your cycle. Be patient and the plant should fully recover within a few weeks. Also dial back on inoculations. I went through this same issue with some red dragon and Amherst sour diesel I grew a couple years back. They recovered and turned out good, decent yield and good flavor. Vegamatrix never disappoints. But since man, I use VSS and OG products differently cause I think they were the root of my issues, well I was the root, from getting overzealous and overdoing it. VSS is good to use once to twice a month. Once a week is still fine, but I use it 2 times a month through the whole grow, and do foliar treatments through veg 1-2 times a month. When you do in oculants, Use the pryme zyme at medium rates with VSS and it will do wonders for the soil. Good luck and hope your plants are better!