Low Light Marijuana Strain

Discussion in 'Growing Marijuana Indoors' started by astro, Aug 28, 2005.

  1. I was thinking about this the other day, tell me what you think.

    Personally, I think the biggest "revolution" in growing cannabis would be the development of a strain that grows well in low light, perhaps outdoors in a shady area. Because I've planted a few outside before, and the problem is always unless it's a well lit area the plant barely grows, especially compared to my indoor grows. I mean think about it, weed could be grown practically anywhere if it could be grown in the shade. Farmers wouldn't need to have an open space (helicopters can see them), they could thrive in a cheap indoor setup, and so on.

    I don't know if it will ever happen though. I'm no biologist, but the low-light plants I've seen (indoor potted plants, basically) almost always have huge, dark green, leaves. MJ on the other hand has small little strip leaves, so maybe it wouldn't be possible for it to collect enough sunlight. Maybe someone who's good with plants could try to grow ones that have a lot of chlorophyll (spelled wrong?) or something to collect the most light per square inch or something.

    Anyway I think that would be way more benificial than say, a plant that grows a foot tall (lowryder) or some of the other specialty strains.
     
  2. the reason we are different than the monkeys is cuz of ppl like astro who ask, 'what about this..., wouldnt that solve alot of problems?'

    unfortunately, the solution isnt as easy as one might think. in horticulture, its done many times where the new variety is grown in more light than spp. ancestor. but im not sure if ive ever seen where someone has gone the other way, less light from a more light spp. i can rattle off about 30 plants where horticulture has gone from low to hi, but not 1 from hi to low. here is maybe a few reasons...

    first we need to limit this talk to the higher flora and not anything under angiosperm in evolutionary terms.

    plants in low light have large leaves to capture more light. this also means that it takes more structure to hold up larger leaves. but with less light coming in, that means that the node size would be HUGE vs sunny plant or one gets a squat plant and we all know that squat = squat bud.

    plants in low light have thicker leaves to capture and keep in light as well as protection from whatever is producing the shade. but there is only so much light to put on bio-mass so plants in low light typically are much shorter than their genetic kin who have moved to the sunlight. this certainly is a direct correlation between more light = more plant. sunlight is the driving fuel for plants, less = less plant.

    mj is an annual and time is of the essance. less light = less time to get busy in plant sex terms. if one is in the northern (or southern) parts of the world, that means that light is even LESS at the beginning and end of growing year (clouds and rain) so the task in these parts of the world is even tougher. i would speculate that more equator neutral varieties of mj would be more shade tollerant just because there life cycle is much longer as well as sunlight that is filtering down is also more consistant vs like where im from, hot one day, cold and rainly and cloudy the next.

    one could easily increase the time in which the plant starts flowering (already done with lowryder) which would solve the problem with time needed to put on bud before the end comes. but u reduce the amount of bio-mass fueling the plant has to put on bud. hence the low yield (and maybe potency???) of lowryder.

    to sum it up, my guess the formula would go like this;

    less light = less bio-mass = less bud.
    more light = more bio-mass = more bud.

    i think those formuli are going to be hard to change to;
    less light = less bio-mass = same bud as more light.

    hope that shed some light on ur shady idea.

    to change the subject a bit, i think that a real decent genetic step for mj would be to develop much better, the idea of lowryder. a 1 foot completely budded with maybe a 1/2 oz dryweight of decent quality smoke would be a FANTASTIC advancement. imagine the ease of hiding these in the grass. there isnt many places in the world that doesnt have lots of waste lands with grass about 2ft hi. an easily grown from seed plant that has the ability to easily reproduce in this short habbit would be unstopable. from colorado to pa, from texas to 1/2 way up canada, one could easily hide em in the grasses.
     
  3. Thanks a bunch for the bio lesson :) Yeah, I imagine it would take a fairly fundamental change in cannabis for it to adapt to low light, after all it's grown (in nature) in very sunny areas so we're not talking a plant that is borderline low-light. And as any grower will tell you and as you pointed out, the more light, the more bud, so low-light plants would have that hurdle as well.


    But I'm thinking though, personally I would take the lower yield in exchange for actual growth. The MJ that I've planted outdoors in shady areas as an experiment literally did not grow--they survived and live, but their growth was so slow it's practically non-existant and of course the harsh New England winter will get to it long before it's large enough to flower out.

    Per your lowryder comment, I agree. Unforunatly there are two things that keep me from using lowryder outside: low yield and no clones. I can't really afford to "sacrifice" a harvest for seeds although that is an option, but because it's autoflowering I can't clone. Also, from what I've read, lowryder get's about 1/4 oz per plant, which is really low. So between the low yield and the fact that I'd have to use seeds everytime I can't see lowryder being a good outdoor grow, at least for me. Now of course if they could make lowryder not autoflower that would be great, but I think it's the autoflowering part that keeps it from growing over a foot or so tall. But yeah, if lowryder didn't have those problems (or even if it did yield low but I could take clones) then I'd use it in a heartbeat.
     
  4. dont get me wrong, i think one could do it. but im afraid that the buddage wouldnt be up to par. and as i mentioned, i think that breeders should try for that lowgrowing lowryder type plant that is of better quality and is cloneable.

    ive grown some plants that were short inside but as soon as they dont have constriction of light, co2, water, root, etc of the inside and live under the sun, they grow 3ft+. and that is pretty tall for a weed in 1-2 ft grassy waste areas. i think a spectacular grower would be a stout, auto flowering and branching so its cloneable 1 ft max hight plant.
     
  5. Yeah, they do need to stabalize the lowryder strain a bit like you said. I've never grown it, so this is all second-hand info, but from what I've read there are two or three phenotypes. One makes a plant that grows really short, like 8-9 inches, and yields almost nothing. Another makes one that exceeds the foot barrier and can grow up to 2 feet. And then the third would be the regular one that grows a foot. I think that's because the plant is a cross of 3 different strains, so it sort of randomly chooses a height to grow at (there are other difference like leaf shape but the height is the important one).
     
  6. Apparently a g13 x blue widow is very good in light deprived areas. Also there are some strains from mr nice (ones derived from early girl) that are supposed to do well in a darkened greenhouse. I noticed that my blue widow and early skunk did better than the others in my darkened gh. I certainly think this is a very relevant topic for discussion with the emphasis to be on which strains do better than others in lack of light or low light intensity situations.
     
  7. good post!
    i found this thread cuz i was wanting to find a plant to grow indoors that would thrive in max 30000 lumens, i read that the sun puts out like 55000 lumens but as far north as britain (amongst others) the angle of the earth effects the intesity of the light as it has to travel further through the atmosphere. so say this is true then if i can find a strain that thrives in places like britain or further north in finland outdoors then maybe its a safe bet to say they would do well in 30000 lumens (2x 250w cfl should put out a bit more i think).
    can any1 put me straight on this?
     
  8. would 30000 lumens grow decant bud anyway? cuz for 500w off electricity ive got to explain off the bill to the person that owns the house it bloody wants to, it would be nice to have the space to use two 250w hps, many many lumens
     

  9. 500w is nothing to explain I have a small space heater that uses 800w also a tv and xbox probably use close to 400w or 500w while running. Just throw your plants on 12/12 and thats only using the power for half the day :smoke:


    To the op great question it would be nice to find a shade loving strain. Although with most fruit bearing plants the more light the better.
     
  10. #10 joenhaggrity, Feb 29, 2012
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    Yeah I agree from the proper scene it's a diminishing return situation with the median between greater yield on a fruiting plant and lower light required, I would think a breeder couldn't considerthis as a direction logically, ya know. And it's basically a principle that is innate cause you already typically have the most yield for the light provided already as a base direction in genetics certainly


    But yeah, I think this is a totally logical question in finding the plants that tolarete stretching wattage in grows as some must handle light more efficiently to some noticeable extent between best and worst
     
  11. Yes, specifically for outdoor stealth growing under partial canapy
    This would be a really worthy cause to find and develop the most useable genetic
     

  12. Hi guys,
    I'm experimenting a low light growth, actually not only low light, but low everything hhhh. I am using a box of 18/16inshes, two CFL lights, one 175 W, the other 150 W, I have no idea what the strain is, just bag seeds of a regular staff, maybe from Mexican forests :)
    It is in Day 4 of flowring, doing good, expecting to know the sex in few days.
    I was thinking, if the plant would be a hermie and goes well, i might leave the male sacks to pollinate it , and keep the seeds out of it, do you think the seeds will carry the natural characteristics of their mother ? or will they have the characteristics of the conditions in which their mother grew? this is my big easy project...
     

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