I don't smoke, I've had family members die from tobacco use. I love the fact that in my city the only places people can smoke legally is in a casino or a car or a house. Don't know how many times I've went out to a nice restaurant and it's been ruined with cigarette smoke.. This might be going a little too far though. But who knows, maybe a decrease in tobacco sales will decrease tax profits and open another avenue for marijuana to become legal...
[quote name='"budsmokn420"'] Why do you think the government is entitled to tell people when and where to smoke?[/quote] Because it's reality, and everyone knows cigarettes are bad for your health. I don't want to be around 2nd hand smoke and i don't want my son around it. Simple right?
Thoughts of a hypocrite: I don't like that product/behavior so I support a ban. There's a ban on a product/behavior that I like, we need to stand up for freedom! I'm not a hypocrite, these two issues are completely different.
What is reality? Yea, so what? Unhealthy people should be discriminated against? Why should people feel like they are obligated to be healthy if they don't want to? Who said you are entitled to eat at or shop at private businesses? If a restaurant owner is a cigarette smoker and wants to allow his customers to smoke cigarettes in his restaurant, who are you to tell him not to? Don't eat at his restaurant if you don't like the way he runs his business. ^ Pretty simple, right?
[quote name='"budsmokn420"'] What is reality? Yea, so what? Unhealthy people should be discriminated against? Why should people feel like they are obligated to be healthy if they don't want to? Who said you are entitled to eat at or shop at private businesses? If a restaurant owner is a cigarette smoker and wants to allow his customers to smoke cigarettes in his restaurant, who are you to tell him not to? Don't eat at his restaurant if you don't like the way he runs his business. ^ Pretty simple, right?[/quote] What is reality? Read your first reply, if you still can't figure it out then you have more issues then just smoking cigs.. Unfortunately for you the government agrees with me, so if you don't like the way it is you can move to another country. Similar to your restraunt owner scenario.
You side-stepped every single one of my points, so your whole post is irrelevant. Respond to my arguments. Also, the founding fathers agree with my stance, not yours. So actually you should move to another country, not me. We aren't supposed to be an authoritarian country...we are supposed to have the freedom to do as we please and we are supposed to have property rights. By advocating smoking bans you are infringing on both of those, which are the most fundamental principles to this country. Edit: Oh and I don't smoke cigarettes...I just don't advocate telling other people what to do.
That's completely different because your smoke isn't staying on your property...your contaminating my property. I can agree with no smoking in the public, but banning smoking in restaurants and other private property is ridiculous. A restaurant is not the public.
A restaurant is public unless it is a private club. If anyone can walk in and be served it is public...
[quote name='"budsmokn420"'] You side-stepped every single one of my points, so your whole post is irrelevant. Respond to my arguments. Edit: Oh and I don't smoke cigarettes...I just don't advocate telling other people what to do.[/quote] Hypocrisy at its finest right there.. You tell me to respond to your arguments but you don't advocate telling other people what to do. Thanks, I Lol'd hard at that one. See that's the beauty of the U.S.A, if you don't like something you have freedom of speech so you can have your side heard. We've heard it and the government officials that are alive (not the "founding fathers") are the ones who make the rules. The "founding fathers" would have no idea what to do in today's society. It's just a ignorant argument. I'm done with this argument, the powers that be are making the right decisions on this one, imo. Peace!
Lol I'm not forcing you to address my points, I'm just saying if you want any credibility to anyone else reading this thread, side stepping arguments isn't really a way to gain it. And no, the founding fathers wrote the Constitution which is the law of the land. If you violate the Constitution, your law can be ruled unconstitutional, thus they can't just do whatever they want. Saying the founding fathers would have no idea what to do in today's society is absolutely and completely ignorant. The constitution is based on principles which are based on logic and natural...not something that is subject to change. They are getting away with it now and that is why millions of people are calling for a revolution....
A government is a public entity because we collectively pay taxes and fund this entity together. Roads, parks, sidewalks, etc are public property because the government (a public entity) builds them, takes care of them, etc. A restaurant/business however is a private entity. A private citizen (an individual) built the business, funded the business, etc. It is their property, not the publics.
No...did you not read my post? Just because you have customers does not mean you are public entity. A public entity is funded through taxes. Businesses are privately funded and are not the public's property.