Local or non-local universe

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Smokinscientist, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. It seems like no one ever asks this question anymore, yet it is probably the most important fundamental question.

    Do you believe in a material, "particle" universe, or a free, "wave" like universe. Does matter exist?

    Here are some fundamental points to consider:

    1. Light has been shown to exhibit wave properties. (See Young double slit experiment)

    2. Light has been shown to exhibit particle like properties. (See photo electric effect)

    3. Electrons have been shown create an interference pattern in a double slit.

    4. Neutrons have been shown to diffract.

    5. Particle physics must consider the fact of "point" particles who are dimensionless, yet contain mass (electron, neutrinos.)

    6. Light can transmit energy, yet has no mass.

    7. There is still no consensus on what is mass, gravity, binding forces and electrostatic forces are.




    So what's your thought?
     

  2. no.


    next thread.
     
  3. i just accept our universe for what it is. you can ask answer the same answer toa ll those questions and imo it would be very logical.

    waves are a type of energy. light is comes from an energy source. light and the energy source are all based off raw energy. like our sun, our sun is a form of raw energy. if we were able to look at very smallest atoms in the center of the sun, we would learn that is a form of raw energy. then the sun burns out, explodes and creates a black whole, a vacuum of energy. when the blackwhole has collected enough energy in the form of matter it reaches equalization, and the whole process of gravity has started again, its just momentum carried on from the vacuous suck of the black hole, then it spins and spins more and more sucking every towards it, then it gets too tight and explodes again, creating the vacuous black hole again.

    everything that happened during what we call "gravity", planets coming together and forming solar systems etc, is just all fantastic rare and random chance occurring.
     
  4. bahahahahaha. denied.
     

  5. FACE!
     

  6. This point is wrong, but the rest of your points are on the money.
    However, if an elementary particle is infinitely small, and continues to exist over time, then it is not infinitely small, but infinitely long (time is space), or a "superstring". This explains how it can seem to be both particle and wave.
     
  7. Glass guy, which point is wrong? Light transmits energy, or that it has no mass?

    And no, time is not space. It is a component of 4-vector as ct. For an infinitely small particle, the 3 dimention components are nil, but the time vector can be described for the particle.
     
  8. so why do you call this thread local or non local universe

    if a light is a wave not a particle, it really doesn't answer or suggest anything regarding to the location of the universe.


    Sorry I'm just not sure what your meaning by local
     
  9. Sorry man, I didn't really explain too much. It's more a scientific term. It's asking what do we define by "matter". Microscopically, , light and electrons show very similar behavior.

    As a basis in quantum mechanics, we do calculations by treating particles as a wavefunction . And often, in nature, we see results that can only be explained with quantum mechanics.

    So we have to wonder, where do we draw the line, between what's a wave, and what's actual matter?

    A famous physicist DeBrogli implied that we could assign a wavelength to anything, based on their energy. If we would, say calculate it for a baseball, the wavelength is very, very small.

    So does that mean that was we perceive as matter is just our brain's interpretation of waves.

    That's what we mean by "local, or non-local". Since electromagnetic waves don't necessarily have a "start" or "begining", but only amplitude increases.

    I don't know if that clarified, or mystified anything...
     

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