Why are we here to percieve anything at all? Experiencing all this nonsense and structure. Why is there a universe at all? Why would there even be a void if there was no universe? It doesn't make sense. Then there's matter which cannot be created nor destroyed which just adds to the mind fuck. It correlates with eternity. FOREVER! No start no end. No matter how far back or forward you go in time it won't come close to the realm of eternity. WTF is this place? Whatever it is it terrifies me beyond belief but at the same time leaves me in a state of wonder.......... This is what happens when I'm sober "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
Our existence is really just a physiological experiment conducted by a most lucrative and deceiving government that is providing information on how are brains, emotions, and personality react to certain stimuli that is given to us through worldly events such as war, crime, peaceful interactions, ect... The world you know and love(or hate) is really just one big mind fuck. Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
it is because it must. if it didnt it wouldnt, and you couldnt perceive or comment on it. youre simply a product. a long, slow creation in a realm where time (therefore long and slow) mean almost nothing. we give meaning to the reactions we experience and which created us, which gives our sense of self. because of the self all reactions must also be seen as related to the self, therefore the sense of time and wonder. because of the sense of time and wonder, we are forced out of immediate compliance to chemical interaction. because we are forced from pure chemical interaction due to senses we have these problems. we exist in a space which seems to defy time. because our space seems to defy time, our self defies time. because the self defies time it defies interaction. because it defies interaction it seems to defy the universe. because it seems to defy the universe, it seems incorrect. in reality, you are bound to interaction as interaction creates all. herein lies the problem with "beginning and end". beginning and end lie in a realm slightly outside of us. we may perceive it, but we do not experience it. because it does not exist. there was never an end to conceive, because an end would be outside of universal mechanism. only by being a mechanism yourself may you conceive it in the first place.
You cannot bring darkness into light. Only light into darkness. I liken it to love and how we ought to be love and strive for it in all situations. Hence why our society is filled with darkness and pseudo egotistical love. All the answers to your questions are subjective tho, and what you believe the answers to be is very important. Sent from my SGH-I257M using Grasscity Forum mobile app
how do you explain their existence though. I'm with op. Unexplainable mindfuck. Every day of our lives we should ponder this and it brings light to how life shouldn't be taken so seriously. After all its all just a big giant joke our existence heheh
"God does not think He creates; God does not exist, He is eternal. Man thinks and exists, and existence separates thought and being."
Don't mechanisms, formed in a particular manner, such as a human being's organic body, eventually disintegrate? Are you claiming that the eventual disintegration of an organic form, such as the human body, is merely a conception I entertain in abstraction? Clearly there is a beginning and an end for animal forms.
Of course not. I'm not talking about the beginning and end of the universe/all of reality. Not a particular life form.
So what did you mean here?... A beginning and end don't exist? Don't we experience our own transience?
Its the end of our mind. The body or what makes up the body has been here forever and will remain here forever. The idea that we disappear when we die comes from the mind thinking it's separate from the universe. But the mind arises from the body, which is apart of the universe. "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
I'm pretty sure "you" exist within a designated point in history... so, "you", a conscious observer, have indeed come into being within a certain point, and so, will eventually "disappear". Are you saying that you are not conscious within a certain time in history, i.e., at a point in time where a black man is the president of the united states? And, if you are, that you will not not be so, that is, not not be conscious, in the future, i.e., in times to come? Are "you" consciously everlasting? P.S. No said that our mind is separate from the universe... in fact, most dualists or idealists claim that the observable universe is a merely a projection of the content within an infinite and eternal mind. http://rt.com/news/space-evidence-universe-hologram-195/
The point of history you refer to is the point that we've made up. There is no point of time in a eternal universe. The idea of me is what disappears but what I am does not. Consciousness is just a outcome of a organic structure. If someone has a physical problem in the brain the mind becomes changed as well because it arose out of the body. There is no mind without the physical. I've always been here and so have you.... I didn't really understand the last part. A projection of what someone is thinking? "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
Prove to me that the universe is indeed - "eternal". How are you so sure that this not just a concept you entertain in your mind? The point of history you refer to is the point that we've made up. The "point" of history I refer to, is no more a creation of mine than my own body is, that is to say, past and future are no more inventions of man's than what is before a body and behind a body. P.S. As Toad, HD, agreed, animal forms, such as the organic body of a human, are not everlasting, they integrate and they disintegrate; meaning, not only does our consciousness, within this realm, have a beginning and an end, but so do our specific bodily structures.
If you really think about it life could be such a laid back simple thing but instead we over complicate life to the max by setting ridiculous rules and laws that restrict what humans were actually meant to be Sent from my iPhone using Grasscity Forum
Time is subjective. It's been made up for the convenience of man. If it was just a concept I made up then I could say the universe ends when I die too. But everything will still remain.... Exactly the structure is what disappears but what makes up the structure doesn't. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. It's always been here and forever will. "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
Time is subjective. So, the planets did not revolve before the subjectivity of man, really? Exactly the structure is what disappears but what makes up the structure doesn't. The thing is, people think that they have figured out, conceptually, the whole essence of the components that make up our universe... but, the rabbit hole is a lot deeper than is visible from our sensible pov, friend. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. It's always been here and forever will. Did "matter" exist priori to the big bang?
You act like the motion of planets is what equals time. Say we were on mercury. Our days and years would be different because we use the motions for our convenience. It wouldn't be a 365 day year but a 88 day year. It's only used for our convenience. By using your reference time would stop when the sun engulfs the planets...... As for the Big Bang , matter was condensed into a single point. It still was there and the amount hasn't changed. "I'm to drunk, to taste this chicken" -Talladega nights
You act like the motion of planets is what equals time. Motion is a form of time... that is, without time, there would be no motion. The problem is, you're constricting "time" to be a mere contrivance of a calendar... which is far from the case. As for the Big Bang , matter was condensed into a single point. It still was there and the amount hasn't changed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the matter nowadays is a lot less condensed as it was - in the past; I mean, I'm pretty sure the universe, in this moment in time, isn't the size of a golf ball.
i found this pretty funny. tokesmith answered nicely for me. our conscious may end, but the chemicals were made of dont. they just get moved about from place to place. if you really want to get into it "we" are constantly dying on a cellular level. you are basically entirely different in makeup then when you were born, perhaps even in a third or further cycle depending on your age. seems to me like that suggests consciousness is entirely a byproduct of our composition.