Let’s talk Temps and RH

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by BrodMan Organics, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. Hey all, :wave:

    Been wondering about something for a while now, that I feel I (and hopefully others) need some light shed on... It all started when I attended a seminar about vapor pressure deficit at cannacon, and I really got a little confused. I’ve been seeing something lately that has supported the theory and was wondering what everyone does in there space. I’m just trying to now dial things in and fine tune as I feel like my room could be more efficient.

    In this seminar the gentleman said that normal hvac systems in grow rooms are completely wrong set up. You have three pieces of equipment somewhat working against each other (ac, dehumidifier, and an exhaust fan pulling everything out) and that no one would ever design a building this way, as it is very inefficient.

    His conclusion was that if you set things up properly you actually saw better growth at 80 degrees, and a RH I forgot. I think it was pretty low, but truthfully forgot and it’s not in my notes.

    I’ve been noticing things on instagram lately and teamterpene’s room is 84 with lights on 83 leaf temp at lights on, 74 at lights out, and a 45 Rh. I know they use CO2 and am wondering if this is the missing link in this type of system...

    :confused_2: It just seems really hot to me, I know I’ve read that Organics work a little better in higher temps for the worms and soil life, and I have noticed however that when my room hovers around 80, the ladies really look there best and grow their best..

    Wondering everyone else’s temps and RH in your rooms, and if any of the blades that are knowledge in this could maybe shed some light on things for us...

    :thankyou:
     
  2. I grow in a wide variety of rh. Anywhere from single digit to 90%+. I used the fight it and keep it in check. However I got tired of it and stopped. When the rh is low the plants drink more. When it's high I increase airflow above and below the canopy. I do tend to get slightly higher yields and slightly faster growth rates with higher rh, nothing to get excited over. Definetly nothing worth altering my environment for, adding more work to my grow. Im not around enough to fill humidifiers and empty dehumidifiers so I dont and the difference is minimal imo
     
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  3. With auto's, the sweet spot for seedling to finish is 80'F for air, 78'F for leaf temp, and 75'F for soil temps. These are constant temps. The older a plant becomes (as it moves to transition and flower), the lower temps they will tolerate without consequences.
    The real trick, is that at temps above 80'F, it can prove quite challenging to bring the RH into the zone on a VPD chart. This past winter I have experimented with running 65% RH in flower all the way down to 45% RH in flower (at the temps listed above). The higher the better, as long as the genetics have been worked well, and the strain you are growing isn't prone to PM, botrytis etc., as long as you have really good air movement. In the past, most experts have recommended the 65% RH for veg only, and dropping it down for flower. With good genetics, it isn't necessary to drop the RH. If I find a strain prone to PM, botrytis probs, I note it, let my associates know, and generally don't run it again. The other option is to maintain the lower RH, but if its genetically prone to probs, its genetically prone to probs regardless of the RH. You are just playing the margins and hoping for the best. Those of us with real good set ups can play the margins, most folks probably wouldn't want to, at least not till stuff was super dialed in and stable. The tough part of managing RH and temps is that time when lights go out, temps drop and humidity goes up. That's where the game can be won or lost. I often see tents set up, that the fans go off at exactly the same time as the lights. That can be the crux that gets ya.
    For autos, the easy solution is to just run 24/0 light and give your plants a stable temp and RH all the time.
    hth a little
    cheers
    os
     
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  4. @Organic sinse Very interesting info. I normally run 50-60 percent RH in veg and I just took my humidifier out of my room last night now that I am in flower as I was reaching 47-57 percent RH and was worried it could cause issues. This is making me want to put the humidifier back in haha. What do you think? It is staying around 45 percent with lights on and lights off it gets to mid 50's.
     
  5. It’s all about your air movement and the genetics. Btw, the higher humidity and genetics is something I picked up fromTad Hussey, KIS Organic’s podcasts.
    Cheers
    Os
     
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  6. I don’t have a dehumidifier in my room. My RH stays fluctuates a bit, but doesn’t get above 62 usually...

    Thank you @Organic sinse that sheds some light on things.

    I’ll have to start paying attention to my RH more, at different times rather than just a broad sore trim...I’m wondering, if when it hits that 80 degree mark in my room the RH is just in a good place.
     
  7. Funny you mention that I was just listening to this today
     
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  8. There is some good info there, as well as most of the KIS podcasts. I like the bug lady.
    Cheers
    Os
     
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  9. #9 CSO12, Jun 8, 2019
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    Far more in that podcast episode than I can offer. But I'll add that I stick to the Fluence VPD chart. In one 4x8 space I'm working in right now, the two LED's heat it up to 81-83F (easily) when lights are both on, and not dimmed. It's somewhat difficult – and not at all efficient – to maintain cooler temps in that area, without diminishing light intensity, so I just try to keep RH ~70%. At lights off I drop it to 60%. I haven't had any temp/humidity related issues.

    For my own comfort working in the area I'd prefer ~77F and 60%RH. But I'll survive. It's a far cry from when I first started and was told to always run 55%RH in veg and 45% in flower, regardless of temperature.
     

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  10. We all make due with what we have to work with, 81-83'F is still really good, just think if you were running HID lighting what a cooker it would be in there,
    cheers
    os
     
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