Legalize it Now.

Discussion in 'Marijuana Legalization' started by Genesis123, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. #1 Genesis123, Jan 26, 2020
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    Cannabis should be legal. Truer, it never should have been illegal. There's only speculation as to why it was, suddenly, made illegal in the 20th century, but it has been around (and used) for thousands of years without much, if any, restriction.

    Regardless of how the prohibition of cannabis came about, no one should have the right to tell me what I can, and can't, do with my body. Government, scientists, doctors, friends, families, etc., can all offer advice and opinions, but the ultimate decision is, or should be, mine.

    The age of majority, as declared by law, in most US states, is 18. It's the age at which a person is recognized, by government, as an adult. His parents' legal authority terminates and he assumes legal control over, and is legally responsible for, his person, actions, decisions. At majority, he can make medical decisions, join the military, get married, enter into contracts, enter sweepstakes, vote, consume alcohol, and much more, without parental, or guardian, consent. If governments give a person, even as young as 18, the right to decide, for himself, these often-complex issues, why don't they give the person the right to decide if he wants to use cannabis?

    Roe v. Wade, 410 US 113 (1973), is a U.S. Supreme Court decision that gives a woman the right to decide what to do with her own body, even when that decision, as some people believe, may be taking the life of another. If a woman can decide, for herself, to (possibly) end the life of another, why can't she decide, for herself, if she wants to use marijuana? That is, marijuana, itself, has never killed anyone [to my knowledge]. So, this court decision supports the right for a woman to potentially kill another, but not to not-kill herself with marijuana? That's total nonsense! And, of course, the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution grants equal rights and protection to men.

    I would like a federal government that protects my right to legally use cannabis because my equal, fellow Americans, in other states, can (legally). Why should I be denied that right because I don't live in one of those "other states"? (If I could afford to move, I'd be there!)

    Cannabis is not a "gateway drug". The cause of people moving on to harder drugs is that their reasons for the need of cannabis haven't been solved, or improved, and they need more of an escape. It is as simple as that.

    Cannabis is not addictive. Well, maybe it is, to a point. Cannabis is a relaxant -- the relaxed state is what is addictive. A person who only uses cannabis (no other drugs) can smoke day and night and, at some point, using it has little or no effect. That person needs to take a break (for weeks months, perhaps) to achieve that high again. So, how can cannabis be addictive? Again, maybe it can be... but only with periodic breaks.

    If a person is happy and healthy, he doesn't need relaxants of any kind. But, who is happy and healthy these days? I don't think anyone should have the right to tell me that I cannot use a natural God-given weed to relax.

    And, isn't it ironic -- and downright insulting -- that recreational cannabis is legal in the hub of our (US) federal government, Washington, DC, yet the federal government outlaws it as a national policy? Are your congressmen straight?... when in DC?

    Why, after 8000 years of cannabis use, do we need scientific studies to determine whether it's okay to use? Why now do we (well, some) think it's so bad? I was just looking at a list (on Wikipedia) of epidemics through history, each taking thousands and thousands of lives, and I didn't see marijuana listed as the cause of any.

    I haven't completely exhausted my arguments for legalization (and I have none against), but I will close for now. Thank you for reading. :)


    EDIT, to add and elaborate on a subsequent post of mine. I want it in my OP.

    I have read the US Constitution several times, recently, and no where do I find that any branch of the government is given the power to rule people's everyday lives. Quite the contrary, the First Amendment prohibits them from running our individual lives. Doing so creates a religion. A religion is a person's philosophy -- what he thinks, believes, and practices, as long as he does not abridge others' rights to do the same. "Religious freedom" should be thought of more as "freedom religiously" when it comes to people's (individual) rights.

    Congress is given power to handle situations that, to decide by the entire population of the country, would be impossible. (That is, for example, for each individual to collect and understand information, and all the intricacies, of, say, interstate commerce, it would be impossible to come to a unanimous and "best" decision and, therefore, law.) However, the people who elected those congressmen should be well-represented by those congressmen in all issues that they have given the power to decide. Smoking cannabis is not one of them.

    The three branches of government are each given very specific and limited powers, and the authority to make laws pertaining (only) to those powers.

    Our elected and appointed officials are sworn to uphold the US Constitution. I wish they would read it, understand it, and do just that -- uphold it. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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  2. You might want to argue your point with Mitch McConnell.
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  3. You can send him my post. :vaping:

    On second thought, I might argue with him if I get the chance. ;)
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  4. #4 Didactylos, Jan 26, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2020
    Well said!

    Why is marijuana demonized so much? It's not just given a bad rap in the USA. When I lived in Iran (back when dinosaurs were young), The degree of social acceptability by drug type went: Tobacco, tea, coffee, opium, hashish, alcohol, marijuana -- although I must note that Iranians were accepting of non-Muslims drinking alcohol in much the same way that orthodox Jews accept non-Jewish people eating pork. But still, marijuana was far, far less socially acceptable than hashish! Go figure that one out, and if you ever do let me know what you figured out, because it beats the shit out of me how it makes sense.

    In the United States it's widely believed that much of the anti-cannabis fervor was whipped up by William Randolph Hearst, who conducted a concerted anti-Mexican campaign, designed to marginalize Mexican American voters, who were immigrating to the USA in large numbers to escape the Mexican revolution.

    I think marijuana should be legalized -- I've been supporting NORML since it was founded -- but to play devil's advocate, these are the only arguments I can think of that bear any weight at all.

    First, cannabis IS habituating... in the same way that video games, porn, good food, great sex, a good night's sleep, gambling, or exercise are addictive, and for the same reason: people tend to repeat experiences they find pleasurable. Of course, if this is the reason cannabis should be illegal, so should all those other things I mentioned. LOL

    Second, the preferred method of usage is ingestion through the lungs. This is unhealthy. Whether you're vaporizing or smoking it, coating your lungs with oil isn't good for them. THC isn't the consideration here, though. It's the act of sticking stuff in your lungs. Not good. Again, on that reasoning, aromatherapy should be illegal too. I can see it now: "USE AN AIR FRESHENER, GO TO JAIL."

    I can't think of any other arguments against weed that make sense. To anyone who opposes weed usage, I tell them, 'Ask yourself: "What would Jesus smoke?"' :D

    Edit: brain fart -- left out the word 'non-Jewish'.
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  5. Having lived thru the 80s I’m happy to say that things are changing, just not as fast as we wish. I never thought I would see legal rec pot anywhere in this country in my lifetime. On a local level, I personally know people who used to be against it now saying they are ok with legalization. The times they are indeed a changing.
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  6. We should get as many members write DC a letter and send it in......wouldn't do shit, but still.....:love-m3j:
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  7. That is a good proactive move. I also think we should be bombarding our local governments every time someone is charged with a marijuana crime. In my home county it costs 160k per yr to house a inmate, do we really want our tax money going to this? Add on the cost of prosecution and we're probably over 200k! In a time of medicaid strapped states why are we spending this type of money on something that if went to vote would pass??
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  8. My question is how to do this in a meaningful way? It's unfortunate that it took me getting into a jam to consider being proactive. This is something I'm ashamed of and have an enormous amount of respect to the people dedicating their time to others.

    Any suggestions or models to follow in regards to making our voice heard?
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  9. Totally agree. There's a lot of money in private prisons these days, and I think that drives a lot of it. But it's insane to think the 'The home of the brave and the land of the free' has higher imprisonment per capita than any other developed nation! How is it brave to imprison people for growing/owning/smoking weed? And how does that compare to the definition of 'free'? SMH
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  10. Jack Herer. Yeah....if we could get all the "pot heads" to stand up and say something....AKA....write their government....go out and WOULD make it more of a talking point, that's for sure.
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  11. You guys can debate it forever and there's nothing wrong with being proactive. But as long as the republicans control the senate with Mitch......a bill will never see the light of day.
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  12. It's not just about the feds, I would venture to say 90% of these cases go through the state. If we could devise an easy way for people to have their voices heard, that in my eye would create change. Whether it's written letters or e-signature we need to express our demand for monies to be spent other places besides MJ. The power we have is at the state and county level, I think California proved this.
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  13. If you have any kind of charges I think I would try and settle that as quietly as possible. If they have something hanging over you and you piss the wrong one off, it may get ugly. I get where you are coming from and applaud your intentions, just be safe and not sorry.
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  14. Thank you. You made an excellent point about the use of opium, hashish, etc., in Iran. (It's similarly true in other countries, as well, I assume.) MJ should be legal in the US and anti-cannabis people should count their lucky (50) stars this discussion is about legalizing opium and hashish.

    Not all habits are bad. Vaping, every night, after a long day at work is no different than having a drink, every night, when I get home. So many people do drink when they get home, as a matter of habit. So, why can't I toke -- a personal choice which I feel is much safer for my body than drinking alcohol.

    But the lungs can be healed far easier than a hardened liver from drinking alcohol. I can only speak from personal experience, here: I smoked three packs of cigarettes a day, for a few years -- all the years (as an adult) I lived anywhere near my father :eek: :biggrin: -- and reached a point where I could barely breathe and embarrassingly coughed too frequently. I decided enough was enough -- about the time I decided to leave town :D -- and went cold turkey & quit. I ate properly, drank plenty of healthy fluids, and exercised. My lungs cleared up. Ten years later, I was getting a check up. After the doctor listened to my lungs, I asked him how they sounded. He said, "Good. Strong. I hear nothing wrong." He asked why I was concerned. I told of him of my smoking habits years prior. I think a person who clogs up their lungs with any kind of smoke can heal easily, whenever he's ready. I think it takes a person a very, very long time before his lungs reach a point of irreversible damage. (Frankly, I can barely imagine it.)

    LOL! I love this question! I think, being the Naturalist that He was, Jesus would have no problem with the use cannabis. It's a natural, God-given (or, in this case, Father-given) plant. I'm sure He used it (or would) responsibly. ;) And it, probably, would have helped Him manage a heck of a lot of pain while hanging on that cross!

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  15. But that is truly the reason we have such slow progress. A) Those making money off of our plant don't want any undesired heat (understandable) B) Those of us facing charges do nothing but complain C) The public has no idea of the social or monetary costs to our states counties. D) We are demonized by the media and nobody ever comes out and speaks their side because of fear..... I could go on and on and on..... Too many reasons to be proactive.
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  16. Yes, there are a lot of financial benefits to legalizing marijuana, but I'll be honest -- I really (really) don't like the idea of governments "controlling" the industry. I don't know much about the plans for controlling it, but, right now, I feel like all governments (at all levels) should do is keep the industry honest. That is, (for example) if bad weed comes in to the town/country, or a company is proven fraudulent in its dealings, they should let us know (get the information out there). Of course, governments will tax for this (or any) oversight, but we are over-taxed now. "That government is best which governs least" ~ Henry David Thoreau. Generally, they should keep their hands off.

    (I'm tired, I can't think right now. I'll read up on the governments' control of MJ and, maybe, post a better reply.)

    Wow! Hard to believe prosecution and housing criminals is so expensive! :eek:

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  17. I understand your argument on control but we have to face facts, there is no industry that isn't controlled by government. With that said most mainstream industries don't penalize people as harshly as MJ when breaking the rules. When was the last time you heard of a shop that sold cigs to an underage kid and had all their product taken and their shop shut down? Never. I'm all for regulation if it gives everyone a chance to join and be responsible.

    Here's some reading on the cost of housing in NYC jails, prepare to be very upset!...... Yes NYC probably tops the list on cost but I think most would be very surprised to learn what the cost is in their local areas.

    New York City Jail Costs Reach Record Level

    FYI.... When searching this subject you'll notice a big difference in pricetag for the prison systems and our local county jails. For the most part people do a good portion of their time in county while awaiting sentencing.
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  18. I'm really sorry you're in a jam. I hope it's nothing too serious.

    Like you, I would like our voices heard. So, here I am in this forum and hoping it makes a difference. I look for news articles about legalization and add comments if they're allowed. Perhaps, cannabis groups have Facebook pages where you can leave comments. Visit other cannabis sites and, like this one, voice your opinions. Write to your state and federal reps. If I think of anything else, I'll come back. :)
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  19. Thanks bud, go get some rest! You have a rabbit hole to go down when you start researching these costs.
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  20. Thanks for that info!

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