Left lose their mind celebrating Abortion

lol, the straws are getting thin.........

Having to quote random folks on FB, without even identifying who said it, sound like more fake news.

I have asked before, and I will ask you again.... Can you quote a single pro lifer that has actually done this.... Not some bad cartoon and made up FB posts? If so, then that might have some legitimacy.

I think this is the forth time I have asked in this thread, yet it seems to fall on deaf ears. Not one actual legitimate source to these claims.......

 

More pure evil from the pro "choice" crowd..........Forcing religious people to advertise abortion has now been overturned. I expect to see a lot more of this with the new Supreme Court that Trump has assembled.

Supreme Court Backs Anti-Abortion Pregnancy Centers in Free Speech Case

Supreme Court Backs Anti-Abortion Pregnancy Centers in Free Speech Case

WASHINGTON — Ruling for opponents of abortion on free speech grounds, the Supreme Court said on Tuesday that the State of California may not require religiously oriented “crisis pregnancy centers” to supply women with information about how to end their pregnancies.

 

First Trimester - American Pregnancy Association
Fetal Development: First Trimester


Week 1 & 2 – Gestational Age
Your menstrual period has just ended, and your body is getting ready for ovulation. For most women, ovulation takes place about 11 – 21 days from the first day of the last period. During intercourse, several hundred million sperm are released in the vagina. Sperm will travel through the cervix and into the fallopian tube.

If conception takes place, the sperm penetrates an egg and creates a single set of 46 chromosomes called a zygote, which is the basis for a new human being. The fertilized egg spends a couple days traveling through the fallopian tube toward the uterus, dividing into cells ; it is called a morula. The morula becomes a blastocyst and will eventually end up in the uterus. Anywhere from day 6-12 after conception, the blastocyst will imbed into the uterine lining and begin the embryonic stage.

Week 3 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 1)
The embryo is going through a lot of basic growth at this time, with the beginning development of the brain, spinal cord, heart, and gastrointestinal tract.

Week 4 & 5 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Weeks 2 & 3)
Arm and leg buds are visible, but not clearly distinguishable. The heart is now beating at a steady rhythm. The placenta has begun to form and is producing some important hormones including hCG. There is movement of rudimentary blood through the main vessels. The early structures that will become the eyes and ears are forming. The embryo is ¼ inch long by the end of these weeks.

Week 6 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 4)
The formation of the lungs, jaw, nose, and palate begin now. The hand and feet buds have webbed structures that will become the fingers and toes. The brain is continuing to form into its complex parts. A vaginal ultrasound can possibly detect an audible heartbeat at this time. The embryo is about ½ inch in length.

Week 7 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 5)
At 7 weeks gestation, every essential organ has begun to form in the embryo’s tiny body, even though it still weighs less than an aspirin. The hair and nipple follicles are forming, and the eyelids and tongue have begun formation. The elbows and toes are more visible as the trunk begins to straighten out.

Week 8 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 6)
The ears are continuing to form externally and internally. Everything that is present in an adult human is now present in the small embryo. The bones are beginning to form, and the muscles can contract. The facial features continue to mature, and the eyelids are now more developed. The embryo is about 1 inch long and is the size of a bean.

Weeks 9 thru 13 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Weeks 7 thru 11)
At 10 weeks, the embryo is at the end of the embryonic period and begins the fetal period. The fetus has grown to about 3 inches in length and weighs about an ounce. The genitalia have clearly formed into male or female, but still can not be seen clearly on an ultrasound. The eyelids close and will not reopen until the 28th week of pregnancy. The fetus can make a fist, and the buds for baby teeth appear. The head is nearly half the size of the entire fetus.

 

This is what abortions doctors look like. This is the psychology of a abortion doctor.

58 horrific details from the Kermit Gosnell trial that you do not want to read
58 horrific details from the Kermit Gosnell trial that you do not want to read

1. When authorities searched Gosnell’s office, they found bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building. - CNN
2. “It would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place,” testified one unlicensed medical school graduate who worked at the clinic. – NBC Philadelphia
   
   
3. Gosnell may have severed the spines of hundreds of born alive babies with scissors. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
4. One 28-week-old baby boy – featured in the trial – was found frozen in a gallon water bottle. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
5. One employee testified that she witnessed Gosnell snip the necks of more than 30 babies, and that he sometimes gave her just the feet of a fetus to place in formaldehyde. – NBC Philadelphia
   
   
6. Gosnell kept up to 30 specimen jars containing fetal feet. - Philadelphia Inquirer
   
   
7. Gosnell told some of his employees the feet were for DNA testing and other employees they were for medical research. - Philadelphia Inquirer
   
   
8. Gosnell severed the spine of one breathing, moving, born-alive baby and put the body in a plastic shoebox for disposal. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
9. “It jumped, the arm,” an employee testified after she performed a “snip” of the baby’s neck. – Delaware News Journal
   
   
10. One former employee testified that a baby still alive after being aborted screamed one night, and that the baby’s eyes and mouth were not yet completely formed but it was still alive. - USA Today
    
    
11. The baby was lying on a glass tray on a shelf. - Delaware News Journal
    
    
12. “I can’t describe it. It sounded like a little alien,” one employee testified. - Delaware News Journal
    
    
13. The baby was so big that Gosnell joked that “this baby is going to walk me home,” according to an employee at the clinic. – Philadelphia Inquirer
    
    
14. One of the babies was reportedly moving and breathing for 20 minutes before an employee cut the spinal cord – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
    
    
15. One former employee testified that she was so upset at the sight of the large baby’s bloody, mangled body that she took a photo with her cellphone. – Philadelphia Inquirer
    

1. The abortions of “really big ones” [illegal late-term abortions] were scheduled for Sunday, when no employees were around. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. Gosnell only allowed his wife, Pearl, to assist him with the “really big ones” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. One employee testified that on Monday mornings he would find bloody instruments in the sink even though they had all been cleaned before the facility closed on Saturday. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. Most of the time, eight or 10 women were kept in a single room, moaning and groaning in pain. Gosnell’s instructions were to drug them up as much as possible to “quiet them.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. One woman patient was left lying in pain after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon after he botched an abortion. Afterwards, at a local hospital, doctors had to remove a foot of the woman’s intestines. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. Gosnell sent a woman patient home with parts of a baby still inside of her. She almost died after contracting a serious infection. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. After delivering babies, patients would have to just sit and wait – sometimes on a toilet for hours – until Gosnell arrived. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. “I would take the woman to the bathroom, they would sit on the toilet and basically the baby would fall out and it would be in the toilet and I would be rubbing her back and trying to calm her down for two, three, four hours until Dr. Gosnell comes,” said one employee – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
3. One worker testified that a woman had delivered a large baby into the toilet before Gosnell arrived at work for the night. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
4. One employee said that the baby was moving and looked like it was swimming. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. That’s when an employee reached into the toilet, got the baby out and cut its neck. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. A handyman who cleaned the clinic and bagged its infectious material testified that sometimes patients “miscarried or whatever it was” into the toilet and clogged it. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
3. “I told the doc I would remove the toilet and lay it on its side, but somebody else would have to clean that out,” the handyman said. – Philadelphia Inquirer
   
   
4. Gosnell did not pay his bills in a timely manner, and the disposal provider would not pick up fetal remains on time – sometimes for months. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. Sometimes, according to an employee, fetal remains were left out overnight. “You knew about it the next day when you opened the door … Because you could smell it as soon as you opened the door.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. One woman patient, Karnamaya Mongar, a 41-year-old immigrant, died after an abortion in Gosnell’s clinic. - NBC Philadelphia
   
   
3. According to testimony, Gosnell administered four doses of anesthesia to Mongar, which caused her skin to turn gray and slowed her breathing. - NBC Philadelphia
   
   
4. Gosnell continued to perform the abortion, and once the procedure was over, he started CPR on Mongar and told Williams to call 911. - NBC Philadelphia
   

1. Gosnell could not revive Mongar because his defibrillator was broken. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. Clinic staff hooked up machinery and rearranged Mongar’s body to make it look like they had been in the midst of a routine, safe abortion procedure. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
3. It took at least 20 minutes for paramedics to get out of the building because the back door was padlocked and no one had the key. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
4. “I didn’t do anything wrong,” Gosnell said to Mongar’s brother after the procedure. – Philadelphia Inquirer
   
   
5. Gosnell taught staff to use ultrasound machines to make the fetus look smaller than it was, according to the grand jury report – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
6. Women sat in bloodstained lounge chairs in the “recovery room” while unlicensed, unsupervised workers gave them large doses of various drugs. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
7. Patients were left naked from the waist down; the clinic provided no robes, only blankets that were washed once a week. - Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
8. One woman delivered a stillborn baby girl weighing two pounds, one ounce at a local hospital after being treated and sent home at Gosnell’s clinic. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
9. Gosnell would often have his staff physically push babies out of their mothers by pressing on the mothers’ abdomens. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
10. One employee said that Gosnell took pictures of women and fetuses with a digital camera and with his phone. Gosnell told the employee that he was taking the photographs for “his teaching.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
    

1. The employee said Gosnell told him that he was photographing women from Liberia and other African countries who had undergone clitorodectomies, the surgical removal of the clitoris. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. Gosnell would often show the photographs to an employee and exclaim about the skill of the surgeons who had sewn the women’s labia together, leaving only a small opening to allow menstrual flow. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. Gosnell began an abortion on a 29-week pregnant woman and then refused to take dilators out when the woman changed her mind. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. The woman went to a hospital where it was determined at the hospital that she was 29 weeks pregnant. A few days later, she delivered a premature baby girl. - Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. The baby was treated at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and is today a healthy kindergartener. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. Gosnell became a key figure in “the super-coil fiasco” – where he tested a device for simpler, cheaper and less painful abortions in the 1970s. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. The super coil device was basically plastic razors that were formed into a ball coated into a gel, so that they would remain closed. These would be inserted into the woman’s uterus. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. After several hours of body temperature, it would then, the gel would melt and the device would spring open, supposedly cutting up the fetus, and the fetus would be expelled. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   

1. Fifteen women in their second trimester of pregnancy boarded a bus in Chicago and headed for Philadelphia, where Gosnell had agreed to give them super-coil abortions at his clinic. - Philadelphia Inquirer
   

1. Serious complications suffered by nine of the 15 women, including one who needed a hysterectomy. The complications included a punctured uterus, hemorrhaging, infections and retained fetal remains. - Philadelphia Inquirer
   
   
2. Gosnell’s super-coil abortions were filmed and later shown on a New York City educational-TV program - Philadelphia Inquirer
   

1. Gosnell experimented with a procedure to inject a drug called digoxin into the fetus’s heart while it was in the womb. This was supposed to cause fetal demise in utero. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
2. Sometimes Gosnell would “crack” the neck after the head was out – when only the baby’s torso was still inside the mother – and then suction the brain matter out. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
   
   
3. During testimony at his trial, Gosnell “calmly watched and occasionally took notes with a vague hint of a smile on his face from time to time.” – Delaware News Journal
   

1. From an interview with an employee who took a photo of a born alive baby that was “snipped”:
   

 

Very good points, and well said.

Another point I would add where contradictions in current thinking lies:

An argument made for abortion is a fetus is not a life. However when a women who is pregnant is murdered, it's charged as a double murder.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 38 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.[2]

The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf", "of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child" or "of any woman with respect to her unborn child."

However, the reticence of a federal law to authorize federal prosecution of a particular act committed under federal jurisdiction does not prevent states from passing their own laws against the act committed under their jurisdiction. Meanwhile, the definition of all unborn babies as “members of the species homo sapiens” in section (d) says essentially what proposed “personhood” laws say.[3] Sponsors of such proposals say such legal language will trigger the “collapse” clause in Roe v. Wade, by establishing what Roe said must be established for legal abortion to end.[4] Several state supreme courts have ruled that sections (a) through (c) are not threatened by Roe,[5] but no court has addressed whether Roe can survive the triggering of its “collapse” clause by section (d).

The bill contained the alternate title of Laci and Conner's Law after the California mother (Laci Peterson) and fetus (Conner Peterson) whose deaths were widely publicized during the later stages of the congressional debate on the bill in 2003 and 2004. Husband Scott Peterson was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law.

 

So you support a change in law saying killing a mother carrying child isn't double murder...... Interesting point of view you have there.

 

Here is another interesting point of view I would love the chance to respond...... to this idea in general. This thread it's much less off topic, so I moved the post over here. Reposted for reference.

This idea in general ignores science, and I consider science denying. One would have to ignore basic human physiology to pretend a life at this point isn't a human life. Not only that, but with modern science even if we found this above picture in the middle of a street, a scientist could do a DNA sample and conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that sea horse like creature is actually a human. Not only that, but if they had the blood data from the parents, they could link that DNA to the parents, which would also be human. They could even tell if that sea horse looking human was related to past kings.

I know it was just a meme, but a great example on how some people may think, and how I believe they are mistaken.

Those who showed interest in the other thread.
@Ivean
@NumeroUno

 

Tell me what you meant then, because that was what I picked up.

 

Actually the law says it's double murder, no matter the date. As I already posted.

So what is it in the latter case? Male practice....... lol.

 

Yes, only one is a human, not become. The DNA sample from those five would show one clearly as a human.
Science proves this beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

I will just go ahead and quote this one more time, as I noticed not a single anti lifer even tried to respond.