Left lose their mind celebrating Abortion

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  1. #1 Bulldog11, Jul 12, 2018
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    This thread is bringing attention to the real facts about abortion, and pointing out how some have completely lost their mind when it come to abortion. They will justify killing babies with just about anything, including lies and trying to block speech about abortions. Carrying on Margret Sanger's racist game plan.


    Watch this video to see how bad it's gotten!!!


    More African American babies are killed in the womb, than by gun violence, cancer, car accidents, or any other single leading cause. If Black Lives Matter, then this is where people should start their activism.

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    One of the common tactics for somebody that backs abortion, would to also back the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margret Sanger. Often when pro abortion people talk about Sanger, they try to forget her words, and actions all together. I am here to remind people, that Margret Sanger is pure evil. She was a eugenics, and started planned parenthood with the intention of wiping out the black population along with other "undesirables". Here is a direct quote from Margret, when she was speaking in front of the KKK.

    "In her autobiography, Margaret Sanger wrote about a speech she gave in 1926 at a Ku Klux Klan rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey. The Planned Parenthood founder bragged about the fact that afterward, she was invited by 12 other Klan chapters to speak at their events […]

    In Sanger’s 1922 book, Women, Mortality, and Birth Control, she wrote, “We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social service backgrounds and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

    In her magazine, Birth Control Review, Sanger wrote, “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”








    If that isn't enough, and need more evidence of pure evil in the abortion industry, then look no further. Here is a video of planned parenthood officials haggling over what price they can get for aborted baby parts and pieces. These are the same people that will tell you a fetus is just a lump of cells, yet they sell the body parts for money. Brain being the most valuable.




    So please, post up facts and reasons abortion shouldn't be allowed. Me personally, I think our country will go down in history next to Nazi Germany as a society that allowed a human being to be marginalized, resulting in the deaths of millins of people. 6 million Jews were exterminated during WWII, 60 million babies have been exterminated since Roe vs Wade, in 1973

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    I would also like to appeal to any mods. I want to be able to post pictures of abortion in this thread..... Is that allowed? Can I link pictures of abortion? Site owner please respond in PM's.

    Edited: to adjust the thread topic
     
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  2. It will all calm down again in the winter. that's why I love the cold. It shuts people up and keeps them inside!
     
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  3. That's all on me. I'll shoot you a PM. Sure.
     
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  4. I used to be so against abortion, and to an extent, I still don’t agree with it. I became a father when I was 17. My wife was 15. We went to an abortion clinic, had the money ready, and our name was called. After our consultation, we walked out and never returned. My son is 18 now and graduated with a 98 overall average and making me proud MOST days.

    With that said, I understand the place abortion has in society. We are seriously messed up. If we didn’t have abortion, the already stressed welfare system would be overloaded. We would be caring for more drug addicts, fatherless children, and orphans. Yes we may miss out on the next Einstein or Jimmy Page, but it’s a necessary evil. This is just my opinion bud, after a lot of soul searching. I was registered Right to Life Party for awhile too, just to show how against abortion I was at one time.
     
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  5. Great story and thanks for contributing. The only argument I have against your room for wiggle for abortion is you are not taking into account the life of the child, IMO. Would you want to be dead, instead of a poor bastard addicted to drugs? I know I choose life every time.

    The constitution says to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Just because your parents are messed up with countless problems doesn't mean the child doesn't deserve a chance, IMO.
     
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  6. I completely agree with that feeling. That is what made it hard to accept for me. The child has no say in this decision. I’m still not completely in agreeable with the notion, but I accept that it has its place in modern society
     
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  7. Abortion on demand is based on a illogical definition for when life begins. What about the child has changed from the day before birth to the day of birth? It comes out of the womb, that is the only difference. How can these people truly believe their babies were dead the day before they were born? And if they weren't dead they must have been alive, that's the only two possibilities so that proves abortion is killing children.

    It was the Declaration of Independence that states all men are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I know it doesn't say all children but it doesn't say all women either. In this context man means mankind and mankind means the whole human race. A living fetus is a member of the human race and killing it for convenience must be murder. But if you want kill your child go ahead, I also believe in parental rights.
     
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  8. I believe in instances such as rape or if the embryo has really bad health issues its more forgivable. Maybe in countries that don't have literally free birth control coming out of their ears or the education about how to stop it. But I think it's too damn easy to get free birth control to be so reckless as to be getting abortions as a form of birth control.
     
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  9. You would have done your cause a greater good had you not peppered it with doctored videos and pure propaganda. To paint it as lefties celebrating is a huge misconception.

    This site will give bettor demographics for who actually supports it. I guarantee it is not those you suspect standing alone on the issue.

    Public Opinion on Abortion

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  10. @Bulldog11 Great OP, it's refreshing to see someone put in a bit of effort.

    I don't know if abortion really is a left/right thing, maybe in the US but outside of there I wouldn't be so sure.

    I can't get excited about unborn babies/foetus/blobs tbh. I think there's more pressing matters at hand so I'm not much use to you here Bulldog but respect for the passion.
     
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  11. The full unedited version is also out there for those who want to watch, can watch. The unedited video has pictures of abortion, and I have been told it's against site rules to post such pictures. I will remind you this thread is about pro life comments, and you are off topic. This is your warning. As A mod I expected you to respect the site rules.

    Arent you at work, where you can't watch videos? It's funny yet again, you have a poo poo attitude on a video you haven't watched. It's a terrible habit of yours.
     
  12. Say's it all but I'm skeptical of polls.
    I think if the American people were given a vote in the morning they'd keep abortion legal and as is. It was legalised over here in Ireland by a resounding majority to the astonishment of pundits, media, politicians, etc. In the lead up it was billed as a cliffhanger but in the end it was a landslide.
     
  13. If you plan on this thread being a soapbox only for pro lifers I will be happy to move it to Pandora's Box for you.

    I have said nothing pro choice, nor is it your place to warn anyone. There are no site rules to allow soapboxes.
     
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  14. #14 Bulldog11, Jul 12, 2018
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    1. This is what abortions doctors look like. This is the psychology of a abortion doctor.

      58 horrific details from the Kermit Gosnell trial that you do not want to read
      58 horrific details from the Kermit Gosnell trial that you do not want to read
      1. When authorities searched Gosnell’s office, they found bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building. - CNN
      2. “It would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place,” testified one unlicensed medical school graduate who worked at the clinic. – NBC Philadelphia
      3. Gosnell may have severed the spines of hundreds of born alive babies with scissors. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      4. One 28-week-old baby boy – featured in the trial – was found frozen in a gallon water bottle. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      5. One employee testified that she witnessed Gosnell snip the necks of more than 30 babies, and that he sometimes gave her just the feet of a fetus to place in formaldehyde. – NBC Philadelphia
      6. Gosnell kept up to 30 specimen jars containing fetal feet. - Philadelphia Inquirer
      7. Gosnell told some of his employees the feet were for DNA testing and other employees they were for medical research. - Philadelphia Inquirer
      8. Gosnell severed the spine of one breathing, moving, born-alive baby and put the body in a plastic shoebox for disposal. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      9. “It jumped, the arm,” an employee testified after she performed a “snip” of the baby’s neck. – Delaware News Journal
      10. One former employee testified that a baby still alive after being aborted screamed one night, and that the baby’s eyes and mouth were not yet completely formed but it was still alive. - USA Today
      11. The baby was lying on a glass tray on a shelf. - Delaware News Journal
      12. “I can’t describe it. It sounded like a little alien,” one employee testified. -Delaware News Journal
      13. The baby was so big that Gosnell joked that “this baby is going to walk me home,” according to an employee at the clinic. – Philadelphia Inquirer
      14. One of the babies was reportedly moving and breathing for 20 minutes before an employee cut the spinal cord – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      15. One former employee testified that she was so upset at the sight of the large baby’s bloody, mangled body that she took a photo with her cellphone. – Philadelphia Inquirer
      1. The abortions of “really big ones” [illegal late-term abortions] were scheduled for Sunday, when no employees were around. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. Gosnell only allowed his wife, Pearl, to assist him with the “really big ones” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. One employee testified that on Monday mornings he would find bloody instruments in the sink even though they had all been cleaned before the facility closed on Saturday. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. Most of the time, eight or 10 women were kept in a single room, moaning and groaning in pain. Gosnell’s instructions were to drug them up as much as possible to “quiet them.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. One woman patient was left lying in pain after Gosnell tore her cervix and colon after he botched an abortion. Afterwards, at a local hospital, doctors had to remove a foot of the woman’s intestines. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. Gosnell sent a woman patient home with parts of a baby still inside of her. She almost died after contracting a serious infection. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. After delivering babies, patients would have to just sit and wait – sometimes on a toilet for hours – until Gosnell arrived. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. “I would take the woman to the bathroom, they would sit on the toilet and basically the baby would fall out and it would be in the toilet and I would be rubbing her back and trying to calm her down for two, three, four hours until Dr. Gosnell comes,” said one employee – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      3. One worker testified that a woman had delivered a large baby into the toilet before Gosnell arrived at work for the night. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      4. One employee said that the baby was moving and looked like it was swimming. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. That’s when an employee reached into the toilet, got the baby out and cut its neck. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. A handyman who cleaned the clinic and bagged its infectious material testified that sometimes patients “miscarried or whatever it was” into the toilet and clogged it. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      3. “I told the doc I would remove the toilet and lay it on its side, but somebody else would have to clean that out,” the handyman said. – Philadelphia Inquirer
      4. Gosnell did not pay his bills in a timely manner, and the disposal provider would not pick up fetal remains on time – sometimes for months. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. Sometimes, according to an employee, fetal remains were left out overnight. “You knew about it the next day when you opened the door … Because you could smell it as soon as you opened the door.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. One woman patient, Karnamaya Mongar, a 41-year-old immigrant, died after an abortion in Gosnell’s clinic. - NBC Philadelphia
      3. According to testimony, Gosnell administered four doses of anesthesia to Mongar, which caused her skin to turn gray and slowed her breathing. - NBC Philadelphia
      4. Gosnell continued to perform the abortion, and once the procedure was over, he started CPR on Mongar and told Williams to call 911. - NBC Philadelphia
      1. Gosnell could not revive Mongar because his defibrillator was broken. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. Clinic staff hooked up machinery and rearranged Mongar’s body to make it look like they had been in the midst of a routine, safe abortion procedure. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      3. It took at least 20 minutes for paramedics to get out of the building because the back door was padlocked and no one had the key. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      4. “I didn’t do anything wrong,” Gosnell said to Mongar’s brother after the procedure. – Philadelphia Inquirer
      5. Gosnell taught staff to use ultrasound machines to make the fetus look smaller than it was, according to the grand jury report – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      6. Women sat in bloodstained lounge chairs in the “recovery room” while unlicensed, unsupervised workers gave them large doses of various drugs. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      7. Patients were left naked from the waist down; the clinic provided no robes, only blankets that were washed once a week. - Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      8. One woman delivered a stillborn baby girl weighing two pounds, one ounce at a local hospital after being treated and sent home at Gosnell’s clinic. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      9. Gosnell would often have his staff physically push babies out of their mothers by pressing on the mothers’ abdomens. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      10. One employee said that Gosnell took pictures of women and fetuses with a digital camera and with his phone. Gosnell told the employee that he was taking the photographs for “his teaching.” – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. The employee said Gosnell told him that he was photographing women from Liberia and other African countries who had undergone clitorodectomies, the surgical removal of the clitoris. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. Gosnell would often show the photographs to an employee and exclaim about the skill of the surgeons who had sewn the women’s labia together, leaving only a small opening to allow menstrual flow. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. Gosnell began an abortion on a 29-week pregnant woman and then refused to take dilators out when the woman changed her mind. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. The woman went to a hospital where it was determined at the hospital that she was 29 weeks pregnant. A few days later, she delivered a premature baby girl. - Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. The baby was treated at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia and is today a healthy kindergartener. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. Gosnell became a key figure in “the super-coil fiasco” – where he tested a device for simpler, cheaper and less painful abortions in the 1970s. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. The super coil device was basically plastic razors that were formed into a ball coated into a gel, so that they would remain closed. These would be inserted into the woman’s uterus. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. After several hours of body temperature, it would then, the gel would melt and the device would spring open, supposedly cutting up the fetus, and the fetus would be expelled. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      1. Fifteen women in their second trimester of pregnancy boarded a bus in Chicago and headed for Philadelphia, where Gosnell had agreed to give them super-coil abortions at his clinic. - Philadelphia Inquirer
      1. Serious complications suffered by nine of the 15 women, including one who needed a hysterectomy. The complications included a punctured uterus, hemorrhaging, infections and retained fetal remains. - Philadelphia Inquirer
      2. Gosnell’s super-coil abortions were filmed and later shown on a New York City educational-TV program - Philadelphia Inquirer
      1. Gosnell experimented with a procedure to inject a drug called digoxin into the fetus’s heart while it was in the womb. This was supposed to cause fetal demise in utero. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      2. Sometimes Gosnell would “crack” the neck after the head was out – when only the baby’s torso was still inside the mother – and then suction the brain matter out. – Report of the Grand Jury XXIII MISC. NO.0009901-2008 in the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania
      3. During testimony at his trial, Gosnell “calmly watched and occasionally took notes with a vague hint of a smile on his face from time to time.” – Delaware News Journal
      1. From an interview with an employee who took a photo of a born alive baby that was “snipped”:
     
  15. Facts not fiction.

    Hail satan? Really? Jesus...

    "Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished."
     
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  16. #16 Bulldog11, Jul 12, 2018
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    Bulldog11, Yesterday at 4:41 PM
    First Trimester - American Pregnancy Association
    Fetal Development: First Trimester
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    Week 1 & 2 – Gestational Age
    Your menstrual period has just ended, and your body is getting ready forovulation. For most women, ovulation takes place about 11 – 21 days from the first day of the last period. During intercourse, several hundred million sperm are released in the vagina. Sperm will travel through the cervix and into the fallopian tube.

    If conception takes place, the sperm penetrates an egg and creates a single set of 46 chromosomes called a zygote, which is the basis for a new human being. The fertilized egg spends a couple days traveling through the fallopian tube toward the uterus, dividing into cells ; it is called a morula. The morula becomes a blastocyst and will eventually end up in the uterus. Anywhere from day 6-12 after conception, the blastocyst will imbed into the uterine lining and begin the embryonic stage.

    Week 3 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 1)
    The embryo is going through a lot of basic growth at this time, with the beginning development of the brain, spinal cord, heart, and gastrointestinal tract.

    Week 4 & 5 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Weeks 2 & 3)
    Arm and leg buds are visible, but not clearly distinguishable. The heart is now beating at a steady rhythm. The placenta has begun to form and is producing some important hormones including hCG. There is movement of rudimentary blood through the main vessels. The early structures that will become the eyes and ears are forming. The embryo is ¼ inch long by the end of these weeks.

    Week 6 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 4)
    The formation of the lungs, jaw, nose, and palate begin now. The hand and feet buds have webbed structures that will become the fingers and toes. The brain is continuing to form into its complex parts. A vaginal ultrasound can possibly detect an audible heartbeat at this time. The embryo is about ½ inch in length.

    Week 7 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 5)
    At 7 weeks gestation, every essential organ has begun to form in the embryo’s tiny body, even though it still weighs less than an aspirin. The hair and nipple follicles are forming, and the eyelids and tongue have begun formation. The elbows and toes are more visible as the trunk begins to straighten out.

    Week 8 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Week 6)
    The ears are continuing to form externally and internally. Everything that is present in an adult human is now present in the small embryo. The bones are beginning to form, and the muscles can contract. The facial features continue to mature, and the eyelids are now more developed. The embryo is about 1 inch long and is the size of a bean.

    Weeks 9 thru 13 – Gestational Age (Fetal Development – Weeks 7 thru 11)
    At 10 weeks, the embryo is at the end of the embryonic period and begins the fetal period. The fetus has grown to about 3 inches in length and weighs about an ounce. The genitalia have clearly formed into male or female, but still can not be seen clearly on an ultrasound. The eyelids close and will not reopen until the28th week of pregnancy. The fetus can make a fist, and the buds for baby teeth appear. The head is nearly half the size of the entire fetus.
     
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  17. #17 Bulldog11, Jul 12, 2018
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  18. But derailing someone else's thread is ok?

    And then doing it again after they reopen the thread is ok?



    "Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished."
     
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  19. Have you read what this section's definition is?

    Discuss all political issues and events in this forum. Liberals, republicans, democrats or anarchists...we all disagree on something!

    If the other side of the coin is not up for discussion, then this thread does not belong in this section.
     
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  20. #20 Bulldog11, Jul 12, 2018
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    When a mother is murdered while pregnant, it can be charged as a double murder.
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    1. Unborn Victims of Violence Act
      The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]

      The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

      The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

      Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 38 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.[2]

      The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf", "of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child" or "of any woman with respect to her unborn child."

      However, the reticence of a federal law to authorize federal prosecution of a particular act committed under federal jurisdiction does not prevent states from passing their own laws against the act committed under their jurisdiction. Meanwhile, the definition of all unborn babies as “members of the species homo sapiens” in section (d) says essentially what proposed “personhood” laws say.[3] Sponsors of such proposals say such legal language will trigger the “collapse” clause in Roe v. Wade, by establishing what Roe said must be established for legal abortion to end.[4] Several state supreme courts have ruled that sections (a) through (c) are not threatened by Roe,[5] but no court has addressed whether Roe can survive the triggering of its “collapse” clause by section (d).

      The bill contained the alternate title of Laci and Conner's Law after the California mother (Laci Peterson) and fetus (Conner Peterson) whose deaths were widely publicized during the later stages of the congressional debate on the bill in 2003 and 2004. Husband Scott Peterson was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law.

     
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