Hello iv been trying to help a freind who keeps having his plants after a few weeks turning yellow! Im not sure what deficiency it is and iv already flushed and today added epsom salts to his tank hoping its a mg def. He's growing in soil and i have put some pics up of some plants which have turned completely yellow after 3 to 4 weeks of vedge (sorry the pic is done under hid lighting) with some leaf pics. And i'v also uploaded some pics of plants in vedge for only 1 week and a half which are starting to show the same problem. Ph is 6.6 using ionic soil grow feed and folier fed twice a week with nitrazyme. I'm a hydro grower and havn't had these problems but im cluless about this???? Here's pics of plants 3 to 4 weeks in vedge in a bad state wid leaf pics aswell
Im thinking mg def or patasium......here's the plants 1 week and a half in vedge with problems starting..........
They need more food. There are signs of deficiencies in all three macronutrients. In order of severity, P,K,N. Don't flush because it will make deficiencies worse. Give them a very strong dose of fertilizer that is high in Phosphorus. Personally, I'd use a tea made from a mixture of high-P Guano and either Maxicrop or Kelp Meal. The damaged leaves won't heal but once the problem is fixed, it won't spread to other leaves. Keep in mind that pot plants can handle stronger concentrations than are listed in almost any fertilizer's instructions.
Thanks for the reply but im finding it hard to believe they need more food??? I mean no disrespect but the ones in early vedge have only just been put into soil (light mix) and fed full strength grow feed + added nitrazyme?? I can understand the fact of the olders 1s do have all deficiencies but im begining to lean towards the fact they cant feed for some reason even though they are getting enough? You say give them phosphorus would you thing switching the older 1s on flower with bloom feed added will help? Am sorry for questions so many lol
Ok im needing more debate on this as im thinking potassium.. here's symptoms for potassium.. Potassium (K) Symptoms: Older leaves may look scorched around the edges and/or wilted. Interveinal chlorosis (yellowing between the leaf veins) develops. Sources: Compounds containing the words 'potassium' or 'potash'. now here's phos def symptoms Phosphorus (P) Symptoms: Small leaves that may take on a reddish-purple tint. Leaf tips can look burnt and older leaves become almost black. Reduced fruit or seed production. Sources: Compounds containing the words 'phosphate' or 'bone'. Also greensand. Notes: Very dependent on pH range. ?????????????????????????????????
Well it would depend on what's in the bloom feed. Here's a pic of Potassium deficiency. Note the similarity to the upper fan leaf in your second pic. It's a little small. I need to get a new K-def example pic. The more I look at the pics, the more I'm thinking that the K-def is actually worse than the P-def. Phosphorus deficiency causes the damage toward the leaf tips that in more severe cases curls upward or in a corkscrew pattern, patches of necrosis in seemingly random spots and deformed new leaves. Potassium deficiency causes the damage along the edges of the blades and downward curling.
Ok thanks for reply jellyman. Well my freind has now thrown the plants that are completely yellow out and only keeping the 1s in the 2nd lot of pics .. Here's some pics of cuttings already in early stages of the same problem... And can you tell me what products he needs to add to his tank as im pretty sure this is a multitude of deficiencies goin on...really needs to sort this as its the fourth grow he's thrown away!! 1 thing he did tell me was that 1 time he bought some cuttins which were already big and put them straight onto flower with some with same probs and yellow and fed bloom nutes from the off. Well the plants which were yellow yielded pathetically but the 1s he bought in straight into bloom yielded ok and didn't turn yellow??? Anyway here's some pics of cuttings in early stages of symptoms
Nitrogen is the most common nutrient in potting soil. Almost all degrading plant matter releases Nitrogen and so any good, soft soil has some. The plants that were flowered and given flowering nutrients likely recovered because what the plants are lacking are Phosphorus and Potassium; the flowering nutrients. The little ones in the new pics look pretty good. They need more Phosphorus. Phosphorus is the nutrient pot plants need the most of in their lives. During veg, use almost as much P as N; about 80% as much. Plants like yours that are already showing deficiency damage can temporarily get even stronger doses of it. The best sources of P include Bone Meal and high-P Guanos. These should be either mixed into the soil for slow release or made into teas for manual fertilizations. Bone Meal is best made as a hot tea because it doesn't mix very well in cold water. You'll also want to use at least half as much Potassium as Phosphorus. You might want to make this half as much K as N for awhile, since you've been having K-def problems. This makes the vegging ratio come to a nice 10-8-4 to 10-8-5. With the proportions right, all that's left is to find what concentration your plants can handle. With the exception of seedlings and rooting or just-rooted clones, always use the full fertilizer concentrations suggested by the manufacturer, if not more. Pot plants can handle alot of food and nutrient deficiency is a much more common problem than nutrient burn. Just make sure to alternate feedings with plain waterings. Among other benefits, this gives the plants time to display any signs of burn before the next feeding. You can find the ideal fertilizer levels by increasing the concentrations suggested by the manufacturer by about 20% at a time. Watch the lowest and oldest leaves. Nutrient burn will start at their tips. Once you see some burn, pull back to the previously used concentration. A little burn on the lowest leaves is a very minor issue. I always try to get some slight burn on the lowest little leaves during flowering so I know the plants were fed as well as possible and yield as much as possible. As always, regularly check the soil pH until you know your whole feeding regimen keeps it in the correct range. The soil pH is a separate test from the pH of liquid you use. You can test soil pH with a liquid pH tester by getting pure water and verifying its pH. Water thoroughly and allow the plants to sit at least a couple hours so that the water has time to take on the pH of the soil. Squeeze some water from the soil, often by pressing on the surface and collecting the runoff, and test it.