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Judges are lying to juries.

Discussion in 'Medical Marijuana Usage and Applications' started by peanutbutter, May 8, 2011.

  1. I was taught by my church, years ago, that there are two kinds of lies.

    The first is overt. Where someone speaks a lie.

    The other can be more sinister. Called a lie of omission. This is where something is intentionally left out to cause a false impression.

    There are judges in Michigan that lie to juries. And they lie to juries to gain a conviction against an innocent person.

    What is the omitted information that is so important? That the defendant was licensed by the state to have marijuana.

    That may be the defendants entire defense.

    Hypothetical example:

    A person has five plants. They are raided and arrested for their five plants.
    In court the PA shows that the person had five plants.
    The judge has refused to allow the defendant to show the jury they have a license from the state to have the plants.

    Based on the information allowed by the judge, the jury has no option but to convict. No option the jury is aware of.

    That is where we must now make our mark.

    We must teach people that as a member of a jury, one person in 12 is a majority.

    It took more that 50% of "we the people" to force this law on them against their will. It only takes 1 in 12 to enforce this law.

    Vote not guilty in any case about marijuana. The courts are lying to you. By omission.

    Medical marijuana advocates to protest Oakland County policies | Detroit Free Press |

    Medical marijuana users and caregivers say they'll gather Monday outside the
    Oakland County Circuit Court to protest tactics being used against them by
    county authorities.

    The demonstration was to mark the start of the trial of registered patient
    Barb Agro, 70, who is charged with illegal drug dealing. But her attorney,
    Jerome Sabbota, said Saturday that Monday's hearing would be adjourned.

    Still, the protest isn't just for Agro, but "for all defendants being denied
    their rights," said Jamie Lowell, who runs Third Coast Compassion Club in
    Ypsilanti and helped to plan the demonstration.

    More than two dozen other medical marijuana defendants currently face trials
    in Oakland County, Lowell said.

    Agro of Lake Orion is a retired school bus driver and former dispatcher for
    the Lake Orion police who has severe arthritis, her attorney said. She is
    charged with conspiracy and possession of marijuana with intent to deliver.

    Oakland County drug investigators raided her home for marijuana plants on
    Aug. 25, the same day they raided numerous other patients' homes and medical
    marijuana establishments. Prosecutors contend Agro, her late husband, Sal
    Agro, and their two sons were all medical marijuana users tied to commercial
    sales of the drug, which amounted to illegal drug dealing.

    On Friday, eight of nine defendants arrested in connection with Clinical
    Relief -- a former medical marijuana dispensary in Ferndale -- were bound
    over for trial by Ferndale District Judge Joseph Longo on charges of drug
    delivery and conspiracy. Longo dismissed charges against Stacey Ellenbrook,
    41, of Chesterfield Township, a secretary-receptionist for Clinical Relief.

    County drug investigators, who admitted to using phony state medical
    marijuana ID cards to get inside Clinical Relief, said they found evidence
    of drug dealing there.

    In cases resulting from the raids, circuit judges were expected to rule on
    whether state law allows medical marijuana users to be served by commercial
    establishments. Those would include dispensaries such as Clinical Relief
    that sell the drug, and compassion clubs that provide social space for using
    it, attorney Paul Tylenda said.

    But that issue might not be decided because, in recent cases, prosecutors
    argued that defendants can't even be identified as approved medical
    marijuana users in the courtroom, said Tylenda, who defended Ellenbrook.

    "The Oakland County prosecutor has successfully barred the mention of
    medical marijuana to juries numerous times. Funny how this is only happening
    in Oakland County," he said Friday.

    Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper responded that "the judges are the
    individuals who are making these decisions" about whether defendants can use
    provisions of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act as a legal defense.

    "Obviously, (judges) make their determinations based on the law," Cooper
    said Friday.

    *** pb comment .. Why would Cooper tell the press something so obviously false. These judges are making their determinations on what existed more than two years ago. Not on current law.
  2. Our judicial system is flawed?! Alert the media..
  3. Actually the system is vulnerable. It is wide open for attack.

    It can be undone by people refusing to vote "guilty."

    And THAT is what the press needs to be alerted to.

  4. you'll find the system can and will subvert the intent of the law, and deny people their rights, "to protect us", and by "thinking of the children", least "the terrorist will win...".:(

    ..the media seems to have split up and picked separate piles of bullsh!t propaganda to toss at us, so we are distracted, instead of reporting the facts, all of them.:mad:

  5. And when was the last time you served on a jury? There's a reason they interview potential jury members, and it might have something to do with predetermined votes lmao. But hey a guy can dream right :smoke:
  6. I was on a jury last month, unfortunately only a traffic crime one, but I would be perfectly willing to *ask* the judge to ask the defense if the defendant had a MMJ card.

    Jurists need to know that they CAN ASK QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY THINGS LIKE THE EXISTENCE OF A MMJ CARD. They do not just have to sit there with their heads up their asses.
  7. oh so true...

    both sides will reject anyone that has an opinion...showing they can think...thus are not easy to lie too and sway to their desired vote.

    I was dropped once from a jury, over a big corp stealing/taking property from a local family so it could expand, because I responded to a question on my believing in the law and justice with..."the law and justice are not always the same, anyone can see that fact, if they pay attention."
  8. It's called Jury Nullification, folks. Every American citizen should read, and know all there is to know about jury nullification. Know your rights before you are seated to a jury.
  9. I've read about a few areas that have a real problem getting a jury together over mj charges, because the people won't vote guilty on mj users anymore.
  10. That's right .. it's already happening.

    Pull the plug.

    Vote not guilty in ANY marijuana case.

    Just pull the plug.
  11. The Controlled Substances Act spells out that organized crime is supposed to be the target.

    PB- one slight variation to what you have posted, and that is: I might still convict if it were a Mexican cartel member. I would vote not guilty in any case where I deemed the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of others were not affected in any way. If they are a thug, don't belong in the country, I'd at least hear the charges and the evidence against.

    By the way: are these Federal or state courtrooms? Federal courtrooms will not allow state evidence/law to factor in, thus their high rate of conviction.

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