joints with coke...

I'm sorry, I must have worded my post incorrectly.

"If you were to ask my opinion, I'd suggest you try coke more than once in a safe comfortable environment with people you trust."

Weed is more addicting to me than coke is. When I came off coke... I was like, I wish I had a bowl. Not... I wish I had more coke.

You might not be able to reasonably O.D. on weed and you CAN over dose on cocaine but it's REALLY exhaggerated (major SP?) The possibility of ODing on coke when using responsibly is sooo impossible. I've blown balls after balls in a night and not O.D.ed. Usually it's in combination with alcohol that it creates the OD potential problem. But really coke isn't as hard as people think. It's just all the weak minded pussies that become total crack heads that give coke a bad name. Coke is a totally natural drug extract that's been used for centuries.

I won't deny the effect on your heart, while it's not significant in reasonable use IF you were to go into a daily use stage the effect on your heart would be... oh how should I say... unsatisfactory.

But to be a little more specific... if you think your friend is weak minded and could create himself a serious problem with coke then at THAT point it's reasonable to intervene. I was just annoyed by all the shit talking about coke. It's just another drug with higher risks... smart people avoid this risks. Stupid people don't. Those people are crack heads.

Thanks for actually reading my entire post instead of just trash talking me and my family as soon as you realized I was "Pro-Choice" on coke.

 

mietoe - I love your sig... I read it a while back and now that's always what I tell my friends when they're planning on drinking and driving while I slap them upside the head.

 

RIGHT ON!!

 

I agree with mr idiot on the coke thing it is a pretty dumb drug I tried it once and I didnt it like it but xtc pills ohh gotta love it I usually pop three to five pills over a two month period then quit for a year cause its so damn addictive im on my second one now getting a triple stack on monday damn I love drugs but remember kids moderation

 

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml

None of us really have to bother with your sorry ass...you make yourself look like a fucking moron with every post

edit - Emr I've drank a full 1/4 ounce on a bread filled stomach... they claim 1 gram orally ingested will kill most I enjoyed days of being wired off it heart pounding like a jackhammer lol

 

mietoe- you do make a lot of sense when you say when you start hanging out with people that smoke pot you might come across people with some more connections and some shit can happen.

in my opinion, cigarettes are the gateway drug. people usually try those before anything.

but then again i think the whole gateway thing is bullshit regardless.

and about the X. what happens to your brain when you do it is it slows down blood flow in some parts of your brain, so when you take a scan on your barin there appears to be dark spots where blood flow isnt as abundant as in other parts.

there are no litteral holes in your brain. although i do acknowledge that it is a very risky and unhealthy drug.... but fun.

 

Lets see some actual studies stating that dude..as the action of stumulants like mdma methamphetamine and other assorted amphetamines on the brain are not as you suggest

In fact they improve basic functions for a limited period of time

the reuptake of serotonin isnt a vasoconstrictor...and mdma and meth are in fact great decongestants unlike coke which makes everything contract they relax muscles in most users instead

I've come to notice many potheads are close minded fools to the same degree as nonusers or boozers

most of the time they're just as clueless as nonusers...they talk shit about things they know nothing of first hand

 

The MTV program profiled a young woman who had been a frequent user of ecstasy and other drugs, including cocaine. On the program, the woman's doctor displayed a brain scan which seemed to show that the woman's brain was full of holes. The doctor implied that the "holes" may have resulted from ecstasy use. The following is a clarification of what the brain scan really means, written by Rick Doblin, Ph.D., President of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), after consultation with Lynn, her doctors and a number of other neurobiology specialists:

The recent MTV special on MDMA showed the results of a SPECT scan of a young woman, Lynn Smith, who had used a very large amount of MDMA. Lynn's doctors reported that her SPECT scan showed "holes in the brain," similar to what a scan would look like of an elderly woman who had had multiple small strokes. The graphic image shown on the MTV special was a 3-D reconstruction of the SPECT image, which clearly showed dramatic and frightening holes throughout her brain. However, this image was in no way a visual repres- entation of the structure of her brain The SPECT scan actually measured the variation in cerebral blood flow in Lynn's brain. The 3-D image was then created by assigning a different color to different amounts of blood flow. How the graphic image looks is a matter of threshold effect on the image processing. One can take any normal brain SPECT and lower the threshold (lower areas of blood flow assigned a low or zero level of color) , and one will see "holes" on the 3-D image. Conversely, you can also take the same image and adjust (increase) the threshold to "remove the holes".

These are not absolute blood flow measurements. The "holes" simply demonstrate relatively lower blood flow compared to the entire brain. One cannot make any statements about whether it's normal or abnormal unless absolute blood flow measurements are made, which requires more sophisticated scanning procedures than were conducted on Lynn Smith. In order to diagnose a stroke, or strokes, one can simply do an MRI and even lesions as small as 1-2 millimeters will be visible. MAPS has offered to pay for the costs of an MRI scan on Lynn. Even if there is evidence of stroke, which is highly unlikely, it would be possible to say whether this was from MDMA or from other drugs that Lynn had taken. Cocaine or methamphetamine both can cause strokes in some individuals.



or from http://www.leshengliu.com

The “holes in the brain” scan conducted on MDMA users does not reveal actual physical holes or missing tissue in the brain. What it reveals is blood flow activity, and the “holes” represent areas in the brain where less blood is present or traveling. Of course, this means that in those particular areas, serotonin chemicals, serotonin receptor sites, neurotransmitters, and other parts of normal brain functions are not as active as they should be. Such a lack of blood flow can be caused, however, by anything as simple as staying up all night, meaning a brain scan conducted on just a weary person can reveal “holes” in some areas of the brain. Keep in mind the possibility that the MDMA users who had their brains scanned may have been poly-drug users, and the potential effects of those other drugs on their brains. There is also no conclusive data yet to suggest that the decreased blood flow will never pick up again. There have been no human studies yet to prove that the brain damage caused by MDMA will remain permanent, or how problematic such damage may be on the person's daily function.

or maybe one more from http://www.epinions.com/

One extremely common misconception of using MDMA is that it puts holes in your brain. Dance Safe says that this misconception is a result of a guest on the Oprah TV show sharing her PET scan. This guest was a user of ecstasy, but also many other drugs. In her PET scan, there appear to be holes in the brain, but these are not literal holes, they are areas that are low in sugar and blood-flow, therefore they do not appear on the PET scan. Another rumor about ecstasy is that it causes Parkinson's disease and deposits excess water into your brain, neither of which are true.


i would be glad to show you more if you wanted to. go ahead and google search does ecstasy put holes in your brain and you will get endless research on it.

ive done my homework.... seems to me like you are the close minded fool bro.

 

all yall *****s is worried bout me yall need 2 get a life and get off these nuts

 

honestly, you all are supposed to be ADULTS and we cannot get off having a discussion that is supposed to be a simple debate without name calling? that's pathetic. re-evaluate your current presentation and then come back to this discussion when you are calm and mature enough.

 

Now, I have a question for you. And answer honestly... it's very important.

Why do you continue to frequent a forum... where all its users hate you?

I fail to understand the purpose...

 

thank you bone

what they describe has little to do with mdma

things like meth mdma and coke fuck with the bodies core temp regulation which when combined with stuffy hot dance floors or just lack of care on the part of the roller/tweeker/cokehead/ect can be deadly

usually this isn't the case but even then you can experience cell death via overheating without feeling much different in the long or short run

this type of overly sensitive programmed cell death in the brain really shows itself in the form of ketamine/dxm/pcp induced onley's lesions

so for all we know this woman took x snorted coke sucked the poormans meth outta bezedrex inhalers and guzzled dxm syurps by the boatload

the study doesn't prove that x puts holes in your brain or shuts down parts lol in fact the reuptake that occurs with all three actually produces more stimulation and a side of thc actually aids this by protecting 'em from some of the damage done by them to round out the opiate overdose home remedy lol

this stimulation is in the event of any opiod/opiate overdose that isn't full on (in need of a direct IV injection) just unpleasant because of the depressed breathing will snap out of it when given such drugs because they all stimulate the parts of your brain that control basic skills such as breathing heartbeat muscle clenching required to breath correctly

really the point all the pro coke/ect posts are trying to make is you can't judge a book by its cover tho all the 'ur stupiidd' posts make me think otherwise

 

i would say alcohol is the gateway drug, more people try alcohol first and then try weed and other drugs. please dont reply saying you tried weed first because nobody really cares, unless this entire forum were to say that they tried weed first

 

hell yea man theres nothin better then a fatty and a ice cold coke.

 

yes sir hahaha!

 

a, whever we smoke cocoa-puffs in bowls or doobs th high is realllly up-beat and yur feeling pretty energized, but the trick is to be generous, if theres only a small amount - makes no diff, throw in a healthy amount. u can tell when u cn smell that sweet (allmost crack) smell mixed wit tha weed. ive even seen people hitting complete cocoa-puff bowls in bong hits.

 

is it just me or joints with coke just get me slightly higher. its no biggie.

 

I vap it

funny how anyone who hasn't freebased anything (meth 2cb ect) doesn't understand the plastic = yummy thing

but theres nothing like topping a vapor whip with some cola or speed and a bit of hash then more herb

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