John McCain and our country's future..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by amsterdamage, Aug 15, 2008.

  1. And Obama is going to pull out? HAHA.

    That is the funniest thing I have heard all week. If you believe it, then I feel for ya.
     
  2. Doesn't anybody pay attention to Obama when he reads his speeches?

    The terrorists aren't in Iraq anymore, they are in Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan.

    Obama tricked everybody by opposing the Iraq war, and not the "war on terra". The war will carry on just the same with him in office, except we'll move on to different nations in need of rebuilding.
     
  3. prior to clinton, we had an 18 division army capable of deploying world-wide to counter any threat. in the decade before clittin, we rescued american hostages in Granada, protected American interests in the Mediterranean Sea when threatened by the Libyans, removed Noriega and his regime from Panama, and kicked the Iraqis out of Kuwait and all the way back up the Tigris/Euphrates River Valley. Not to mention that whole collapse of the Soviet Union thing that made the world safe for democracy.

    In the first 5 years of that liberal jackass, we surrendered our interest in the Panama Canal, and cut the combat power of our military by over 60%. we went into Somalia and then ran away like bunch of cowards. meanwhile, terrorists attacked and killed US marines in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, US citizens in Kenya, New York, Yemen, and Tanzania.Our response? we bombed the Sudan.

    !!???

    clinton then replaced a large segment of the military personnel structure with a bureacracy of government employees. until you've had to work in a socialistic bureacracy where only 60% of the work assigned is enforceably required to be performed, you can't know the frustration and anger that encourages.

    have i mentioned base closures yet? military bases - love 'em or hate 'em - are good for any local economy. you'd be hard pressed to find a state in the union that didn't suffer a base closure.

    the legacy of the clinton administration is a no-money-for-training, ill equipped, short-manned force shackled to a bureacracy full of i'll-get-around-to-it-when-i'm-ready civil "servants" whose only real loyalty lies in the administration that manufactured their jobs.

    intangibly, the military restructuring retired off all our warriors and replaced them with an officer corps full of political cocksuckers who botched the Iraq and Afghanistan war planning and executed half-assed liberation/occupation operations that essentially set the conditions for the mess we're stewing in over there now.

    clinton is the worst thing to happen to national security since Carter. and that says a lot
     
  4. once again this man speaks the truth. I'd rep every single post of yours if it would let me.
    great stuff man,

    peace
     
  5. yo man,

    this part confused me a bit.. "made the world safe for democracy". I'm not the brightest dude in the world, do you mind explaining that one to me?

    thanks :)
     
  6. #26 JudasCanna, Aug 16, 2008
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    The cold war dude. The US wasn't the only ones scared. Everything up to and before that was about the spread of communism. When the USSR fell, the world felt "safe".
     
  7. You really have to know next to nothing about world issues if you really think there's going to be any substantial difference between an Obama administration or a McCain administration. Either way, you're suffering to the benefit of sick individuals, and that should not be accepted, ever.
     
  8. #28 CaliCoast, Aug 16, 2008
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    I'm sure I've been labeled a Clinton supporter by now, but I can go on and on about Clinton. When it came down to foreign policy I agree, Clinton was a lame duck no doubt. And one of the largest bases in CA happens to be in my back yard, yes it was closed and the local economy suffered as a result :mad:. It's actually really sad, when you drive through it, it's nothing but crumbling neighborhoods and buildings. It's still utilized somewhat but nothing like before.
    And I might be misunderstanding your statement that the military botched the invasion plan. I've been hitting some Chem Dog in the :bongin: so bare with me. Gen. Eric Shinseki explicitly told the Pentagon that America would need several hundred thousand troops to secure a post invasion Iraq. The Pentagon(Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz) said Gen. Shinseki was "wildly off the mark" and said only roughly 100,000 troops would suffice. A mistake out of many that would come.
     
  9. I'm a conservative With libertarian values, not "liberal" values, as are most other conservatives on this board. Drugs are only one issue.
     
  10. I used to concider myself to be more democrate than republican. Not any more by any means. I spent a lot of time living in poverty so that I could go to school. I could have worked, but then I wouldn't have qualified for tuition assistance and the loans that I got. (by the way Obama wants to change our countries finacial aid system too)

    Once I saw that most people who were living like me, making under 3 grand on paper a year, struggling to buy groceries, not affording to do laundry, so on and so forth....most of the people weren't doing anything to better themselves. It was like "whoa is me, I'll just sit here and whine, then vote for the people who say they are gonna help me continue to be lazy."

    I lost almost all respect for the lower class completely. I was literaly "poor" by definition, could barely survive, couldn't make ends meet, etc. But I got through it, and was able to put myself through college while I was down and out because of this countries finacial aid program. I went from making less than 3 grand on paper a year.....to making 50K. The people that were living where I lived in Wisconsin during that time are still there, still bitching about how there are no opportunities for them, and how the rich keep getting richer. Yeah right.

    Not only is Obama gonna keep us in conflict just the same as McCain, he is going to try to tear apart systems and programs of governement that are very important and help people. He wants to change financial aid to instead of it being free to those who qualify.....you have to sign two to four years of your life away to government service......think about that for a few.
     
  11. With that signature of yours, you might as well be giving John McCain a blowjob.
     
  12. What? because i choose not to bow at the alter of Ole Saint Obama? So if someone dislikes Obama They are essentially giving McCain a blow job, i mean in your opinion, correct?


    Guess your going to be disappointed in November huh? Being a close minded liberal is no way to go through life kid.
     
  13. I feel like a lot of people on this board support Obama because he is supposedly "weed-friendly." Although, he is not one bit.
     

  14. Whether or not hes for or against weed in inconsequential, there are more important issues at hand.
     
  15. I guess this is what we both get for assuming things.:)
     
  16. agreed, but i do understand why his stand on drugs is an issue on this particular forum.
     
  17. Yeah, I want pot legalized just as much as the next person. But as far as our country goes, McCain (even though he is a cocksucking polititian just like Obama) will be better for the country all around than Obama. I am a republican, but if Obama was a better canidate than McCain, I would vote for him despite my political and economic views. The fact is, out of the two, I think McCain would do more good than Obama.
     
  18. and that goes to show you how a canidate like Obama can take advantage of the issue and construde to people his actual thoughts on the issue. He is for decriminalization, he isn't for it anymore, he has flipped and flopped on this issue more than anyone. Atleast McCain is a consistent asshole, not an asshole that can't make up his mind.
     
  19. The new generation of republicans and democrats for that matter, for the most part, view marijuana differently than early drug war crusaders. It may not be as soon as everyone would like, but eventualy cannabis will be at least decriminalized and the penalties will be reduced.

    The entire nation hasn't come to the revalation that cannabis is a harmless plant yet. But it's getting there.

    The president has little authority in the actualy process of decriminalization anyway.
     
  20. You see the biggest turning point in American politics was the 1968 election, the democrats were for drugs, lesser penalties on criminals and the such which they have been trying to play down since then. You see the late 60's were when drug use was exploding in the US, and crime was up. This is why out of the last 10 elections since then there has been 7 republicans in office. In the late 70's when there was a very liberal congress, they almost decriminalized Marijuana, so close to decriminalization that ciggerette companies were fighting over names of weed like Acapulco Gold and Maui Waui. Drugs have played a big role in American politics in rescent history, and is a touchy issue to most of America. I fear weed will never be decriminalized, medical Marijuana has become the biggest driver to that in rescent years.
     

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