Its time for an American Civil War...

Discussion in 'Pandora's Box' started by 10yearnewb, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. I beg you guys, change. Change the way you look at adults. We despertly need to change from a listen to what we are told generation to a start making the rules generation. Im not saying disrespect them, and im not advocating violence... im saying start TELLING them you are right, expecially if you are living independantly. Confront them on why they are wrong. We all have an opinion, we need to stop looking over our shoulders to see if its ok to think certain things. Our parents and elders have this aura about them that makes us not want to voice our opinions, we need to start.

    It starts by standing up for what you believe in, not what your parents or political leaders believe in, YOU. I find it so hard to beleive the smartest generation of humans are so easily suppressed into not opening up their opinions because its not "cool" or "the norm" ... We have been given all of this schooling, and if you didn't do that the internet is right in front of you... USE IT! Don't vote for Senator Moneybags because mom did, or because your family traditionally votes for his side...
     
  2. They have flame throwers, we dont.

    A civil war now would fuck stuff up really bad, could you imagine the chaos? Besides, we would get squashed like bugs.

    I dont know what you mean by us looking over our shoulders to say something, we can very freely yell out FUCK BUSH in the streets and nothing will happen. Dont consider this forum to be part of the problem, we openly discuss ideas on here that are very taboo to speak about with most people.

    I believe this country is beyond repair now, I cant see there being any way to fix it.
     
  3. our society is too lubed up from all the sodomy performed by the government. it probably will never change, and it's a shame.


    on a side note, i was told by my uncle that thinking against the government (i.e. i said i don't trust them) will rot my brain. it's all good though, becasue in the same sentence he said that i sound exactly like my father. so there's hope.
     
  4. Umm..... nobody respects adults anyway.

    Hence society's youth crime problems, prisons full of kids, kids taking whatever they can get their hands on to get boxed, etc etc etc..... It is the general apathy of today's youth that causes the most problems.
     
  5. We need a cultural revolution before any progress will be made.
     
  6. Yah, we've had a civil war...wasn't like the coolest thing

    And the only reason there aren't millions of people protesting whatever it is you're upset with, is because no one's being oppressed here. Wah wah wah, the Patriot Act, wah wah wah police state...People aren't fighting back because there's no fight yet. Could it happen? I don't know, there may be a slim possibility, but it's not happening now and it's not happening in the foreseeable future. Quality of life is excellent in America and someone's opinion of our government isn't going to change the fact that most in America live comfortable, safe and private lives.
     
  7. I... don't care really. If someone wants to be mad at the government, go ahead. I'll smoke weed when I want to and there isn't much else to life that isn't legal. I don't know why you have to revolt and all that. If you want to live happily, get educated and get a job that pays well. That's about all you can do, and I'm fine with that.
     
  8. Just thought I'd throw in one word :D
     
  9. Don't take me wrongly. I do not mean bust out your guns and kill. We are sooo easily supressed by what we are told it is not even funny. Its a subconcience thing we cannot get over.

    I agree with dirtyPete. Maybe it IS a cultural thing. But i see examples of what im trying to explain everyday. Its not even nessessarily a parents thing, but adults in general. We've been told to listen, and even if we do not directly listen, subconciencly we do....

    I guessed I jumped the gun on this one before I had all my bullets ready...

    Maybe the choir im preaching to isn't filled with all the right students, but I figured as a colective group that is suppressed you would understand... Im not wording my shit right.
     
  10. You say this, but don't back it up in any way

    The bottom line is that I don't feel suppressed, oppressed, impressed, arm-rest or steamed, cleaned and pressed. You make it sound like we're slaves...I don't know what country you're from, but you're under the wrong impression about what the American lifestyle is like.
     
  11. and I do not mean get up and say FUCK IT and quit life... I simply mean start standing up for what you believe in, and stand up STRONG.

    I didn't want to bring Marijuana in this thinking it was a bad example, but I'll try. How many times have you come accross a person who you had NO idea smoked it up? They usually don't tell you IN FEAR you may pass judgement on to them too quickly.... who set that up for them in their heads?

    Again, im starting to realize im talking to the crowd thats figured it out... :p
     
  12. I am from Minnesota. We are all supressed as pot smokers because we are judged, looked down apon. We are told our substance is illegal and dangerous, yet we ALL know it is not.A few people stand up and call out and defend, and they are forced to change everyone else's opinion... (See Marijuana changing from ITS FROM THE DEVIL, to MAKES YOU DO MORE DRUGS, to YOU WILL SIT ON THE COUCH ALL DAY AND BE SAFE, BUT NOT BE ANYONE.) We are bad examples because we speak up and out about it everyday on this site, what about the millions who sit in silence afraid of what people will say and do to them over owning a bag of flowers?
     
  13. I just have to throw this out there, because I think it totally fits with what your saying.

    This is a spoken word peice done by DJ Immortal Technique. It is called "The Poverty of Philosophy"

    Please take the time to read it. download it, or better yet buy his music and give it a listen. Man has a lot of passion and talent.




    The Poverty of Philosophy
    DJ Immortal Technique

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    Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.

    ***** talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

    I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.

    You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

    As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.

    But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

    I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.

    In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.

    In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.

    You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.

    But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois League. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.

    So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.

    Porque sino entonces te mando por el carajo cabron gusano hijo de puta, seramos libre pronto, viva la revolucion, VIVA LA REVOLUCION





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  14. Ever read "Nineteen Eight Four" By George Orwell?

    If you have then I suggest you check out "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays.
     
  15. yeah but to some people spending a large portion of your life sucking up to teachers and conforming with high school norms, then working a 9-5 job for the rest of their life struggling to support their over-weight family.


    what the youth is saying is that theres more to life than business and politics and war, and that they're sick of adults bossing them around.


    they want more freedom. which should be a natural right.
     


  16. Yeah great, more people have to die, and for what? For something that will in all likelihood be solved with the stroke of a pen? People choose to die for funny things, especially when there's a shortcut not far away that costs a lot less blood and is readily available. A civil war, seriously, when not many people believe in anything unless it directly affects them or their goddamn bottom line? C’mon, with all this lethargy? Look at what we just let our President get away with, done in the full sight of God, but we tacitly endorsed with our restraint and inability to honestly analyze ourselves.

    Pathetic GODDAMN YOU!

    The saddest thing in all this is that we have it right, our parents did let us down, we're just following their lead.

    Peace.
     

  17. Great attitude there.


    Oooh yeah. Right-on!


    "Colony of countries?" WTF?


    And those presidents come from...?


    Force the Third World into "buying overpriced goods?" Why, exactly? So they'd have to pay more for their stuff? What? I don't follow. lol


    I hear a desperate cry for a cause. Any cause. And poor comprehension of global economics and politics.

    EDIT: And yes, I know all about the banana stuff.
     
  18. The themes in "1984" can be applied to a ton of different historical situations. I'm no more inclined to believe that it's going to become a reality now than if this were 1950 and the McCarthy hearings were going on.
     

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