Isn't the draft great?

Discussion in 'General' started by illsmosisyou, Oct 1, 2004.

  1. Yep...some democrats (i was surprised too) have been trying to re-enstate the draft "in caseof acts of terrorism". this wouldn't have even been a suggestion if dubya hadn't pissed off basically every militant country.

    a run down...

    1) women can be drafted too
    2) cannot avoid the draft by going to college
    3) an agreement will be signed with Canada to stop draft dodgers

    yay bush!
    hope you know a senator

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query
     
  2. yea...that link ain't workin...

    so if you wanna read it yourself, go to http://thomas.loc.gov

    go to search and tpe in HR 163

    its less than two pages long if you wanted to know
     
  3. i hope i can save enough money to get out while i stil can ...the draft is unconstituinal... some reason i doubt that they will bring it back... im scared if they do though.... that wouldnt be fun... :(
     
  4. wow...good thing they don't want me any more ...those fuckers would never stop calling me until I told them I had a torn ACL..never heard from them again. If you want to get them off your back, just tell them you have a torn ACL ...that's probably just some beuracrats conspiracy theory anyways..there is no way that will pass
     
  5. i just read it a little further and apparently those who are already serving can have their service extended...now THATS fucked up...
     
  6. did you say the dems. want the draft back?? Please tell me u did

    Last week, kerry said bush was going to start it back even though the white house are said numerious times they were against it. I hate the draft and i dont think it will ever be reinstated.

    "this wouldn't have even been a suggestion if dubya hadn't pissed off basically every militant country."
    ok, you opened this can of worms, and i am bout to get back on my soap box

    Al Queda attacked us 5 times under CLINTON, CAN YOU READ, CLINTON
    They attacked us once under bush, and he went and kicked their asses because CLINTON was a sissy as best on this subject.
    They declared a jihad in 1995, under CLINTON.
    9/11 was planned under CLINTON

    They didnt attack us because of bush or clinton, they attacked us because they hate our way of life and our alligence with the jews. If they attacked us for the 7th time, im sure your all going to blame it on bush.

    If nader was pres they would still hate us, if kerry was pres they would still hate us, if Gore would have won, they would have still attacked us.

    Education is the key man, read the news, watch the documentry on 9/11, not the micheal moore propaganda piece, but the history channel, nonm bias documentry. This honestly blows my damn mind. ?If kerry wins, and we get attacked, it will be Bush's fault.

    The liberals want to start up the draft, and its fucking bush's fault. Man, that beats anything ive ever seen.
     
  7. would we be in iraq right now if gore had won? no...

    because he would have seen that Iraq and Al-Queda have NO CONNECTIONS.

    okay, they planned it under clinton (not much he could have done about that), but i don't understand how Bush could have ignored report after report saying that a major attack against the US was imminent. thats just plain ignorance to think it'll blow over by itself.

    and yes, while jihad may have been declared in 1995 (which im not so sure is true because it seems many islamic leaders have been declaring jihad the last few years so i doubt the whole muslim community declared it at once), that doesn't concern what i am talking about. when bush attacked Iraq because of their terrorist camps, then weapons of mass destruction, then to liberate the iraqi people 11 years after the gassing of the kurds (good timing huh?), he didn't make matters any better for us than they were. all of those borderline countires who were not quite sure what to make of us had their minds made up for them. they felt that we were meerly war mongers out on another crusade.

    and yeah, we were attacked at the WTC, the embassy bombings in africa and the USS cole under clinton, but he had the foresight to realize that attacking Iraq wasn't even an option, BECAUSE THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Al Queda claimed responsibility for the attacks, not saddam.

    and yeah, they attacked us because to them, we are infidels, and they hate our commercialism, our media and our more liberal views on society, but thats Al Queda, not Iraq. the number of people killed in Iraq has reached over 1,000, even thought high ranking military officers such as former gen. (i believe former) Schwartzkoft (crazy ass name) said that it would lead us into nothing more that a guerrilla war which we would never be able to win.

    so in conclusion, i think moore's an asshole so just because i hate bush doesn't mean i buy all the crap moore says. but i do feel that his opposing views are good because we need someone whos constantly in the media to stir up some kind of discussion because everyone believeing the gov't is just plain stupid. also, when bush landed on that carrier with the banner "mission completed" in may 2003, he was fucking wrong. hundreds more have now died in iraq, and they are seeing that more troops will be nessasary to quell the violence over there. also, by being such an arrogant jackass and claiming that the war was over when it had hardly even started in reference to the casualties, he DID piss off plenty of people who now have it out for us.

    also, bush has caused this kind of annimosity in other parts of the world. when he declared north korea one of the "Axis of Evil", wouldn't you know it? kim jongill (another crazy name) declared that he was going to start up his nuclear weapons program. so while many in the middle east may have hated us before, bush's arrogance and blind optomism undeniably made it much much worse.

    edit: oh, and calling all democrats liberals is just plain stupid. thats like calling all republicans conseratives, which isn't true, because mcain was a republican but up untill he dropped out, he was my favorite canidate. (so you know, i can't stand conservatives).

    and i saw a good button the other day "3 purple hearts trumps two DUI's..."
    so if bush wins again, and im declaring it right now, i will officially not call myself an american anymore because i wouldn't want to be associated with a people who can be so incredibly naieve.
     
  8. torn acl?... i wonder if having tourettes syndrome counts me out... :).. i hope so...
     
  9. Im talking about kerry, the #1 most liberal senator in 2003 by his votes (when he accually made it in to vote) There are some democrates i like, and there are some reps i dont like. Im not a member of eather party, but almost forced to chose one because of this 2 party system. The democrates are taking nader off the balot, furthing to make it a 2 party system.

    who do you think is attacking us in iraq?? islamic terrorist. not just iraqis, but islam as a whole. Al Queda, people from iran, all of them, we have even captured some of al queda in iraq since the war started.

    i know iraq didnt plan or really have anything do to with 9/11 but dont be so sure we would be there now with gore.

    Not only our intelligence, but intelligence from russia, britian also said hussain has WMDs. As far as terrorist camps go, i dont remember hearing about that before we went to war. I know you blame us going over there on bush, but with what we knew at the time, even damn kerry said he would have went. So would we be in iraq if gore was president, probably yes.

    "when bush landed on that carrier with the banner "mission completed" in may 2003, he was fucking wrong."
    to say this, ur liberal, not moderate. This is out the the LIBERAL playbook. When he said it, we had captured hussain, therefore mission over. He didnt say war over. A war is many missions.

    "also, bush has caused this kind of annimosity in other parts of the world. when he declared north korea one of the "Axis of Evil", wouldn't you know it? kim jongill (another crazy name) declared that he was going to start up his nuclear weapons program. so while many in the middle east may have hated us before, bush's arrogance and blind optomism undeniably made it much much worse"
    um, they had already started one before bush said that. that is why he said it. Do you know how they got the resoruces to start with, CLINTON. They were not susposed to posses these resources, but they tricked clinton into givn them the nuclear materal to "use it for power"

    Hussain had been dicking over the UN for years, that is one reason i do not respect the UN. They should have went in there yrs ago and checked for themselves. Also, hussain knew we were comming, so this it not fact, but in the months leading up to the invasion, he has time to ship them off the his buddies. He used WMDs before, we have found they had working programs to produce more also.

    We had 31 countries with us in IRAQ.
    We had 7 with us in WW2.

    We had the same problems building a new germany as we do in Iraq today. Noone said it will be easy, but give it time, we have elections comming up and it looks the the govt is slowing commng along.

    "3 purple hearts trumps two DUI's...""
    duis trumps war crimes. I have the transcript from the dick habbit show in 1971 which kerry admits to commiting war crimes. I have also hard former POWs that say their captors used this testamony against them and tortured and killed POWs for what Kerry said. There is even a big picture of Kerry in the vietnam war museam in vietnam.

    I also have transcripts where kerry admits to meeting with vietkong leaders in paris in 1971, while we were at war.

    Viet-kong for kerry is 04!

    also, this rumor of the draft was broadcast by whom, cbs of course.
    http://www.washingtondispatch.com/page2/archives/000613.html
    http://www.newsday.com/news/columni...ep30,0,1801722.column?coll=ny-news-columnists

    The democrate propagande machine is in full force. doing the same things they have dome for 30 yrs
    scare old people into thinking the rep is stealing their SS
    using the race card
    and outright lies

    You dont want to be considered one of the nieve, but you believe this draft bullshit?????????????

    also, the debates start in 15 mins, and i think the main topic is the war and forign policy. I dont know if u plan on watching it but i am honestly willing to see bush defend it like he did at the convention and how kerry is planning on attacking it and exactly how he stands on the issue.
     
  10. easy rider, all you have to do is tell the army youve takin alot of drugs and they wont take you.

    They will also let you slide if you have almost anything in the world wrong with you.
     

  11. sweet lol... ive taken alot of drugs... and ive got quite a bit wrong with me :)...
     
  12. yea my boy who got me into smoking went into the marines and they asked him all types of questions about drugs. I think if uve tripped acid that automaticly counts you out.

    So i guess if it does get started, id imagine acid would be worth alot lol.

    hey easy, im interested in torrets, and dont take this as a cut down because ive not had any experence with it. Is it like you say things you dont mean to or what is the deal? ive seen it on duce bigalow and im sure that was an extreme exageration.
     
  13. yeah but all that 'intelligence' was FALSE. And, bush set up a WH Iraqi special Intelligence unit, who including ex felon Poindexter and Gen boykin... and other right wing neocons... and ALL THE INFO THEY GATHERED WAS FALSE... and all countering data that said Iraq was NOT an impending threat was categorically ignored...

    In fact, Bush can be argued to be the 'false prophet from the Eurphyrates'...

    YES, but the terrorist camp that Powell showed to the UN was in the NO FLY ZONE and was run by KURDISH terrorists in a KURDISH community. In fact, that area was protected by US airforce from Saddam.... and it was in the northern kurdish provinces in the NO FLY ZONE that the 'terrorist camp' was found... the US govt chose to ignore that part...

    And, Iraq was not nearly the sponsor of terrorism that Iran or Syria or even Saudi Arabia were and still are...

    what WMD?... if anything other nations had more...

    weapons that western nations help to build

    I remember Reagan telling us that Saddam's Baathists were a shining light of secular govt in a fundamentalist region... Reagan said we needed Saddam to balance the power of the Iranian mullahs...Reagan took Iraq off of the list of 'terrorist sponsor nations'... fact. ( you folks are too young to remember it)

    But then again Reagan also called Al Quaeda 'freedom fighters' as the US pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into them. (truth)
     
  14. wow the first things bush said nails this iraq situation on the head.

    After 9/11, we have to take threats more seriously, we saw a threat in iraq and we acted.
     
  15. 31 countries...well, this is the only topic on which i will comment on just because of the complete obsurdety of it. other than that, well, im not going to cahnge your mind, so no use in trying.

    The Coalition of the Willing...
    1)Afganistan
    2)Albania
    3)Australia (70% of the people opposed the war)
    4)Azerbaijan
    5)Bulgaria
    6)Columbia
    7)Czech Republic
    8)Denmark
    9)El Salvador
    10)Eritrea (what?!)
    11)Estonia
    12)Ethiopia (yeah...cause they can afford to help with all that famine)
    13)Georgia
    14)Hungary
    15)Italy (69% opposed to the war)
    16)Japan (70% opposed)
    17)South Korea
    18)Latvia
    19)Lithuania
    20)Macedonia
    21)Netherlands
    22)Nicaragua
    23)Phillapeans (ummm...its one of the countries that is most populated with Al Queda)
    24)Poland
    25)Palau, this is great (a group of islands in the north pacific, 20,000 citizens [my town has more than that...], no troops what so ever)
    25)Iceland (no army either)
    26)Costa Rica (yep...same thing)
    27)Marshall Islands (im seeing a trend)
    28)Solomon Islands (and it continues)
    29)Micronesia (uh huh, them either)
    30)Morocco
    31)Romania
    (seems there's a bit more than you were informed of)
    32)Slovakia
    33)Spain (13% for the war, WITH UN involvment)
    34)Turkey (95% opposed the war)
    35)of course, the UK (but we have them wrapped around our finger anyway...well Tony Blair at least...)

    so...i count what...5 stable, economically strong and "real" countries willing to fight...hmmm...quite a group

    lets take a look at who wanted nothing to do with it...
    Algeria, Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Brazill, Canada, Chile, China, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, GReece, India, Indonesia, Norway, Pakistan, Russia (but what about that intelligence?), South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe...and 103 additional countries.

    hmm...maybe those 133 countries had a point...
     
  16. i guess the how many, 150+ during ww2 who didnt want to help us save europe had a point too. Bashing our allies, just like kery does, is not good forign policy.

    It is the only topic you can comment on, so dont use that as a cop out. You want to call people nieve but you belive rumors started by the democrates. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black.
     


  17. ummm...so you know...all that bout the terrorist camps and the WMD's and THEN the liberation...that was sarcasm...



    uggg...no, its not the only one i can "cop out" on, but i feel that i have better ways of using my time than arguing with you.

    and that list was ment to point out how obsurd that "coalition" is. jesus...just stop already.
     
  18. thanks for quoting his post so i can read it too,

    Bad, al queda was righting soviet union during the cold war, before they declared war on us.
     
  19. yea bro, i proved every "point" you made wrong. I bet you watch the news on 1 channel, dont even try to get fair or balanced news. You bash bush for things he didnt do, im going to call you out on it every time. dont say it if you dont want me to rebute it.

    You would think you would want to back up what you say, when someone proves them wrong try to defend yourself.

    your post was to bash our allies, and show us how poor and crappy they are, and how they are not as good as the franch and germanys that do not back us, along with figures like 70% of japaneese obosing it, um, id like to see where u got that.

    watch the debate that is on tv now, it might teach you a thing or 2 than cbs isnt telling you.

    again, you are the nieve when you dont choose to educate yourself.
     
  20. Forgetting iraq, 9/11, bin laden, sadam, etc

    What has Bush done for this country?

    and comparing WWII to Operation Iraqi Freedom in any way shape or form, is a bullshit and rediculous.
     

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