Is Zionism a shameful thing now?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by windchime159, May 11, 2011.

  1. What do you consider a 'bad' political intention, exactly? Isn't that the same intention actually most nationalities or peoples have, namely looking out for each other and identifying with each other and wanting the best for themselves, but suddenly when it's Jews it's a 'bad' intention?
     
  2. #42 Johnny Cash, May 14, 2011
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    Well as a CEO of Disney you're a very powerful person and all powerful people are subject to scrutiny. I think that's a good thing. And since he is Jewish it's only right to look at whether or not he feeds the people Jewish propaganda.

    No, by bad intentions I mainly mean self-enrichment off the backs of suffering people. I believe examples of this exist in any culture that have ever existed on earth.
    And by self-enrichment I don't merely mean self-enrichment of individuals, it can also be governments.
    So no, I don't just accuse the Jews of this. In fact I think Arab leaders sitting on trillions of dollars worth of oil are some of the worst.
     

  3. The same argument could be made for black people or in fact gingers.:)

    Do you see gingers running off to form their own "state" ?

    Judaism is a religion like many others...
     
  4. #44 lowlandslady, May 14, 2011
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    A CEO is not an owner. Robert Iger does not own Disney, he became CEO because Disney took over ABC. The owner of Disney is the Disney family. Walt Disney was a notorious antisemite.

    What makes you think Robert Iger is Jewish exept that some propagandic Jew-watch sites say he is? Was he ever in Jewish school? Is he affiliated to any Jewish cause? What's his mothers maiden name? Is she Jewish? Or is he identified as Jewish because he has a, originally Russian surname? There are Jewish Igers and there are non-Jewish Igers. Like Adler, or Rosenberg. Please tell me what makes Robert Iger jewish at all.

    So in your honest opinion, if someone is a CEO of a company, and no matter that is is more than obvious that he came to that position of his own merit and clear career path, and not because he's interested in the slightest in the news part of it, but because he is an animation specialist which is still Disney's core business (see Pixar) if he has a name that might be jewish, it's only natural to be highly critical of his possible opinions regarding israel.

    So if someone is head of a company and he's got a Spanish name, we should watch really closely that he is sure not to have any connection with Colombian drugs mafia. Or if he seems a bit Arabic, or his name starts wil 'El' then maybe he's a terrorist or he supports salafism. Or if he has a name that can be perceived as Italian, lets make sure there are no mob connections or he's not favoring other Italians. If he's black, is he a closet Mugabe supporter? Or if his name is O'Neill, we want to be careful he's not an IRA supporter.
    Only in this case, it's not even that. Someone thinks he's probably Jewish BECAUSE he is the CEO of Disney.
    You know what that's called? That's just racism.
     

  5. Gingers? When have gingers (except in Southpark) been seriously accused of undermining civilisation, run out of countries, accused of blood libel, excluded from parts of civil life, and in what parallel universe where they exterminated by the millions?
     


  6. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeMvUlxXyz8[/ame]


    ^ That one :D


    But other people are persecuted on the same level as the Jews or worse, they just don't have the money or land interests in oil rich regions.
     
  7. #47 lowlandslady, May 14, 2011
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    Well, where is the corroberation of Robert Iger being Jewish?

    If you want to be so concious about propaganda, how about being a little more careful of fascist propaganda? Such as the 'who is Jewish in media' hobby? Coz they lie....
     
  8. #48 Thizface, May 14, 2011
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    My opinion is if you would like to know more about Zionism is turn off the TV and read some books. Thomas Friedman's from Beirut to Jerusalem, or Arab and Jew by David shipler, both extremely good and informative books. The Israelis have put out a lot of false information about there history, even high school text books. One of those farces was Arabs willingly leaving before the war of independence that somebody already quoted on this page. Israel is ran close to something out of a george Orwell book(I am mainly referring to how the haganah operate). Once you learn how military leaders who were convicted of war crimes end up getting off and then later just end up getting promoted to higher ranking positions. Israelis even call manual labor Arab work and a large amount of them are extremely racist, you only have to listen to stories of Arab kids that attend israeli schools to see this. It is also interesting that each occupied territory is governed by a different set of rules and it's only the Palestinians who can not vote. If you look at the attitude of Begin during camp David or the exploits of Sharon, you can see what kind of leaders israelis elect. Of course I won't say that there has not been wrongs on both sides, but it is sad to see that before the Zionist movement Arabs and Jews actually lived in peace and it was the Zionist movement that changed that. It's that never again attitude that they feel they can use as an excuse for anything that drives me nuts. Anyways you could rant for days and days, but the key to learning about it is reading books not watching tv. There has been countless books written on the subject, but I suggest starting with beirut to jerusalem, the author interestingly enough is actually Jewish.
     
  9. I actually based that on this article How Jewish is Hollywood? - latimes.com
    You're right I may have based that off some rather thin research, but even if this many is not Jewish, that doesn't take away from the fact that (as you also said) there is a relatively large amount of Jewish people in the media business.

    I do believe you should look at the political and ideological interest of people who have influence over other people's opinions. We should not just look at their views on Israel. We should look at their views on everything. We should be careful with men like these at all times simply because of the amount of power they hold, not because of their ethinicity. BUT the over-representation of Jews in the media business (Jewish in this case, but might as wel have been Arab or Dutch for that matter) does give clues as to who MIGHT be put in a more positive light if the media in general is at all bias to one side.

    Again, I'm not concluding that simply because there are many Jews in the media industry, Israel is favoured in the media. I'm just saying that given the facts that there is a relatively large amount of Jews in the media industry, AND the media has influence on public opinion, we should be careful that the media remains unbias and doesn't just reflect the racial makeup of the people behind it.
    I wouldn't call that racism. I would call it racism if I wished the media was controlled solely by people of my own race, in which case I would be far more suspicious.
     
  10. Nice joke, OP.

    Zionist own the media and AIPAC -Israel's Zionist rottweilers - run the U.S. foreign policy and milk the U.S. out of billions annually.

    As a Jew, Israel is the cause of all headaches for Jews worldwide. Zionism does not represent us, never did, and never will. Zionists and Bin laden crew are one and the same; nothing but terrorists.

    Israel does not allow the Palestinians the right to exist, NOR THE RIGHT TO RETURN, Zionists are are constantly stealing their lands, importing none-Semitic Jews from Europe, pays them ($10,000 to $50,000 per family) to live in illegal settlements, and arm them to the teeth to attack Palestinians, CUT DOWN THEIR TREES AND CUT THEIR SOURCE OF INCOME, ALL PART OF THE ISRAELI APARTHEID POLICY.

    Zionism is a terrible thing, it has no part in Judaism, and it ignores the teaching of the Torah.

    Zionism and Zionists are the main cause of Anti-semitism.

    The entire concept behind declaring Israel a Jewish state - a racist strategy in itself - is designed to deal a final blow to the native people of the land - the Palestinians - by throwing them out of their own land permanently.

    http://www.nimn.org/
     
  11. Don't feel like reading all 4 pages, but I will say that Israel is absolutely not demonized in the media. I'm assuming somebody in Israel has had incriminating pictures of every president for the past 30 or so years, because I cannot understand why the fuck we support Israel. A lot of anti-American sentiment stems from our support of Israel (in addition to the fact that we have troops in their land).

    I wouldn't say it's shameful, you're entitiled to your right to believe in whatever you want, but just realize that Zionism isn't exactly the most favorable religion so don't expect a lot of sympathy.
     
  12. 'A lot of anti-American sentiments stems from our support of Israel' says mackzills, and therefore the logical conclusion is that Americans shouldn't do that, because it harms America and Americans. So it's perfectly alright for Americans to collectively and pragmatically look out for their own interests, but for others it's suspicious, right?

    @Johnny: Ironic that you based your information about Iger being a Jew on the column of a Jew. Who was being cynical as well.
     
  13. #53 Thizface, May 14, 2011
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    Nicely put.
     
  14. As a country we shouldn't be sponsoring any state that we don't control. As individuals you can send all of your money to Israel if you want.
     
  15. He was merely an example.
     

  16. You pointed out that Jews were picked on for their appearance...:confused:
    Although to my knowledge Jews come in all shapes, sizes and colours...
     

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