Is organic charcoal the same as biochar?

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by cazmeron, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. More specifically, is organic charcoal that has been sitting in a small closet filled with rotting alfalfa and fish bone meal comparable to new biochar?
     
  2. btw, i bought it at a garden store like 2 years ago
     
  3. Organic charcoal?
    Isn't charcoal just carbon, which is the technical definition of organic? Do you mean hardwood lump charcoal?

    I've used hardwood lump charcoal in my soil mixes, worm bins, and compost piles. I dump my ash and leftover hardwood charcoal from my grill onto my compost piles. I just mixed a new soil and left it out. Not for any reason in particular. Just lazy.

    The briquette type things I would probably have to say 'no' to. Coal bad.
     
  4. ^^^That^^^^ and basically the answer to your question is yes.

    I use my lump charcoal very much the same as HerbMed.

    Wet
     
  5. I have never seen charcoal in a soil mix or compost. Can you please tell me how it would be beneficial?
     
  6. I make 'char'coal/ash from lots of these for the 'K' and scone it into my dirt. Potatoes skins and all kinds.


    Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
    Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
    Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
    Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
    Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
    Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
    Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
    Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
    Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
    Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
    Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
    Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
    Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
    Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
    Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
    Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
    Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
    Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
    Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
    Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
    Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
    Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
    Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
    Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
    Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
    Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
    Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
    Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
    Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
    Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
    Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
    Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
    Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
    Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
    Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
    Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
    Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
    Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
    Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
    Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
    Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
    Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
    Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
    Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
    Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
    Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
    Feathers: 15.3/0/0
    Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
    Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
    Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
    Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
    Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
    Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
    Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
    Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
    Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
    Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
    Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
    Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
    Hair: 14/0/0/0
    Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
    Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
    Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
    Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
    Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
    Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
    Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
    Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
    Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
    Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
    Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
    Molasses Residue
    (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
    Molasses Waste
    (From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
    Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
    Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
    Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
    Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
    Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
    Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
    Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
    Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
    Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
    Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
    Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
    Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
    Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
    Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
    Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
    Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
    Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
    Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
    Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
    Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
    Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
    Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
    Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
    Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
    Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
    Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
    Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
    Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
    Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
    Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
    Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
    Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
    Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
    Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
    Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
    Rock and Mussel Deposits
    From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
    Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
    Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
    Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
    Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
    Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
    Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
    Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
    Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
    Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
    Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
    Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
    Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
    Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
    Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
    Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
    Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
    Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
    Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
    Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
    String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0
    Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
    Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
    Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
    Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
    Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
    Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
    Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
    Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
    Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
    Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
    Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
    Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
    Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
    Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
    Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
    Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
    Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
    Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
    Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
    White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
    Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
    Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
    Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5 Plant - Based
    Alfalfa meal 3-0.5-3 Ca 8 Mg0.3 S 0.1
    Corn gluten 9-0-0 ca 0 Mg 0 s 0
    Cottenseed meal 7-2.5-1.5-1.5 ca 0.5 mg 1 s 0.2
    Soybean meal 7-1.2-1.5-0.4 Ca 0.4 mg 0.3 s 0.2
    Seaweed 0.7-0.8-5 Ca 0.2 Mg 0.1 S 0
    Wood Ash 0-2-6 Ca 20 Mg 1 S 0
    Kelp Meal 1-0-2
    potash 0-0-30

    Animal Based
    Blood meal 15-3-0 Ca 0.3 Mg 0 S 0 some are 12-0-0
    Bonemeal 3.5-22-0 Ca 22 MG 0.6 S 0.2
    Feathermeal 15-0-0 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Fish Products 10-6-0 Ca 6 Mg 0.2 S 0.2
    Bonechar 0-16-0
    Alask fish fert 5-1-1
    Neptunes harvest 2-3-1

    Mined Minerals
    Granite dust 0-0-4 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Greensand 0-1-8 Ca 0.5 Mg 3 S 0.1
    Gypsum 0-0-0.5 Ca 22 Mg 0.4 S 17
    Langbeinite 0-0-22 Ca 0 Mg 18 S 27
    Dolomitic Lime 0-0-0 Ca 25 MG 9 S 0.3
    Calcitic Lime 0-0-0.3 Ca 32 MG 3 S 0.1
    Rock Phosphate 0-25-0 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 10
    Zeolite 0-0-3.2 Ca 2.5 Ca 2.5 S 0
    Azomite 70 trace minerals from A-Z

    Recycled Materials
    Coffee grounds 2-.3-.3 Ca .1 Mg .1 S 0
    Grass clipings 4-1-3 Ca 8 Mg 3 S .5
    Leaves .8-.4-.2 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Sawdust .2-0-.2 CA 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Compost 1-0.5-1 Ca 0.3 MG 0.2 S 0.3

    Manures
    Chicken 2-1.5-.5 Ca 2 Mg .2 S .1
    Cow .5-.2-.5 Ca .2 Mg .1 S .1
    Horse .6-.2-.5 Ca .5 Mg .1 S.1
    Sheep 1-.3-1 Ca 1 Mg .1 S .05
    Jamaican bat guano 1-10-0.2
    Mexican Bat Guano 10-2-1
    Peruvian seabird guano 10-10-2
    Indonesion Bat guano .5-12-2
    Fossilized sea bird guano 1-10-1
     

  7. Start here:
    Biochar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The easiest way it's been understood by me is 'microbe apartment buildings'.
     
  8. That's exactly how I think of all the crushed rocks I added...fungal apt buildings.
    Fungus Hilton.
     
  9. Hey,
    I am washing my chunks of incompletely burned hardwood first with water then a vinegar solution then water.
    Idk why, i just did.
    Then I am preparing a ewc moistened and baby oatmeal
    and kept 80 F for few days.
    Now I will mix the fungus mats with carcoaled wood pieces smashed to dime size add some espoma starter and keep warm for a nother few days.
    Is the possibility of loading the charred wood with the fungus from ewc and the microbes from the starter mix likely to be worth doing? I think so maybe.
    It's the only source of innoculant I have other than some lacto and bamboo litter.
    Which makes me think maybe I should wash the charred wood with lacto first to clean the sites for loading with the ewc and starter mix.
    Also am hoping to try some DE and oil dry in the mix. Would this be redundant to use both? Diversity wise I will add a bit of everything.
    Whatever it is simply an obsession to think about it all
    Those bonsai growers have to really be smart about soil. Are they using organic feeding or what not?
    Or am I just as stupid as I sound?
     
  10. I think they are the same,but they have different form. charcoal is from wood, biochar is also from the wood. You can see the how to make charcoal
     

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