I had a discussion at lunch today with friends comparing humans and computers. My thesis was: since we can replace each neuron individually with a computer chip whose function is the SAME, humans are machines. We also spent quite some time trying to visualize how 'creativity' could be made into a computer program, and we ended up further thinking that creativity doesn't really exist...it's just a term we use to describe how our environment leads us to certain sensations which lead us to certain thoughts. In a nutshell, all ideas come from pre-existing ideas. Thoughts on all this?
everything that has a moving part is classified as a machine. so a wooden board is not a machine. but anything with moving parts is such as anything alive.
Main difference, Humans can make computers, computers can NOT make humans. Computers require human intelligence to program their processing abilities, humans dont require computers to think. Humans can make choices based on history and nature, computers can make choices based on the options we give them
wrong, a machine is defined as a device, mechanical or electrical, that transmits energy, or modifies energy to perform, or assist human tasks. Huge difference between machine, and organism
Yup. Our hearts are powered by electrical pulses. Brain cells send messages to other brain cells through an Electro-Chemical process. The cell sends an electrical impulse (when stimulated) that force the chemicals (at the end of the cell) out of the cell body (axon terminal) to bump against the receiving neuron (brain cell). This happens thousands if not millions of times a second when you are using any of your 5 senses. We are well-designed robots.
I dunno lol i think its kinda degrading to be compared to something man created in less than a hundred years from the discovery of electricity. While it took the universe, billions of years to form out sun, which took millions of years to stabilize gravity into a solar system, which then took millions more years to form planets from the layers of dust surrounding the sun, which then to a few billion years to form life.... like shit our sun is 4 billion years old, and its halfway through its life time... while computers are only what.... 40-50-60 years old... they aint got shit on what we have going on right now. Humans have to struggle in a universe where 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the places within it, would kill us, let alone we have struggles within out own species, robots cant even feel.... they arent even close
haha that kinds threw off that idea, but now i see what you mean, still, robots are more like poorly designed organisms than we are like well designed robots. IMHO atleast hahahaha.
in the immortal words of Curren$y the hot spitta (via twitter): "the machine will try 2 influence your music and sway styles 2ward what may be monetarily successful if they feel u can be easily persuaded." "the machine however respects numbers...and by doing respectable figures on ur own u show that u are ur own machine...u then form an alliance" Haha, these two tweets got me thinkin about this subject.
hes referencing the machine as in society driven by the mass appeal, not like, a machine or robot, but yea, those are pretty deep lol, my respect for curren$y just went up a bit
in essence yes because we process and store information. We respond to our surroundings but the defining difference is that we are capable of feeling and expressing emotions
and another huge separation, we arent an object governed by a system of mechanics, we are millions of systems functioning simultaneously as 1 body, but, each system performs on its own, unaware of the important role in the system of life it plays. Robotics are inanimate objects, moved by force, controlled by programs. No part of us is inanimate, we are superior!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha, sorry had to get all corny at the end there
About the creativity thing. I think their are some creative processes that are so spontaneous and original that a computer could never recreate that kind of inspiration/accident. Like double-exposures. A computer would most likely see that as an error and treat it accordingly. It would be interesting to see a computer play with water colors...
Man is a machine. Money making machine. Resource depleting machine. Polluting machine. Baby making machine. Fucking machine. If man is NOT a machine, then what else can it possibly be?
Are you by any chance a Muslim/Christian? I only ask because, historically, the attitude that man is somehow above everything else and in some way special has been the attitude of those faiths. Anyway, I think that the predominant argument against has been that robots don't feel emotions, etc. However, there is nothing stopping robots from having emotions other than complexity. With time, they probably will. Along these lines, the premise of the argument is that humans are entirely products of physical properties; ie interactions of neurons. The obvious conclusion from this is the absence of free will (Which, by the way, doesn't mean everything is determined--random particle interactions [swerves] mean that one couldn't determine for sure whether or not a certain neuron will fire at a given time in the future, and therefore couldn't tell the overall state of the physical processes of the mind at a given time in the future, which leads to the conclusion that one could not tell the mental state of a person at any given time in the future). On the other hand, one could posit a mind/brain distinction, such as the presence of a soul, or some other dualistic theory, such as the theory of qualia, and this would infer (depending on the theory) free will, the absence of determinism, and human agency.