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Is it safe?

Discussion in 'Vaporizers' started by lpr, Aug 20, 2019.

  1. Hey guys.

    Been reading the news about vaporizers and it’s not good. What is the safest vape in your opinion? How many in here have been using vape as a daily driver for years?


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  2. As long as it doesnt blow up...... If your smoking, doesnt matter vape or smoke, it aint healthy lol.

    As far as the device itself.... Hard to say as i do not own one

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  3. Vape has so many meanings, lately. I think dry herb vaporizers are fairly safe. Vape cartridges with only terpenes added can irritate the lungs--don't know if they are safe long-term. I think the lung-disease cases that we read about were using vape juice with polyethylene glycol, glycerin, or PEG-X added...but there really isn't a clear picture yet. Let's say 2,500 cases emerge. That's out of 9 million people in the US who vape regularly, 0.03%. Maybe those people did something stupid, like fill their own carts with some sort of oil that caused lipoid pneumonia?

    I'm no expert. Just my take on it.
     
  4. Why....what is it saying?

    As far as I know....Vaping weed is a much "safer" alternative to combustion......
     
  5. Even when I use a vape for my concentrate it burns the inside of my throat I think it’s a coil thing


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  6. Any vape that works with dry herb and uses food safe metals. I use a mflb it’s a really nice product. Volcano is very nice, but expensive to buy.

    I Don’t trust everything on the news, but I know those cartridge vapes were never any good.
     
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  7. That makes sense. I’ve been looking at a dry herb vape and been a lil worried due to the recent news of vapes but I think those kids were doing exotic carts or something. Right?


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  8. Ehh I’m not surprised tbh. The ingredients that are in cartridges are pretty much a telling factor when it comes to health risk. I wouldn’t be surprised if those kids bought the cartridges from some alley way or a company made a mistake when they filled them.
     
  9. #10 Egzoset, Aug 20, 2019
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    Salutations LPr,

    Those $elf-$erving predator$ with real power like politi¢ian$, ma$$-media, profe$$ional "expert$"/"spe¢iali$ts" and other friend$ seem quite satisfied to transpose UN's 2014 FCTC/COP6 "conclusions" by "harmonizing" our nation's laws to install radical prohibitionist abstainance instead of health-wise "Harm Reduction", for example:

    [ https://filtermag.org/overdose-treatment-smoking-ban/ ]
    FM: Man Who Died of OD Was Allegedly “Kicked Out of Treatment for Smoking” (2019-Aug-19)

    It says a lot about intolerance turned into an absolute for neo-religious motives...

    :mellow:

    Nobody except the "stoner$"/"droÿé$" themselves have true motivation to fix failed consumption methods as the cigarette/"joint" format, most unfortunately anti-cannabic bigots run the show after taking over our public institutions. That's how the Emery couple was kicked out of Montréal, or Québec's Sublimator manufacturer Enrico Bouchard put out of business as well, etc.

    The Volcano is one type of device which gains some fair degree of acceptance by Canada's officials, quite obviously on the basis of its price tag as that effectively ensures few of us actually consider that as a valid option. Which causes me to comment that inhalation products divide into 3 main groups with one of them being split into a pair of sub-groups:

    1. Cigarette/"Joint"
    2. e-Cig (e-Liquid)
    3. Vaporizer
      • Hot Dry Air Ovenizer
      • Clean-Burning Butane pipe

    Each system depends on a common feature i like to refer to as the "Release/Transport Agent", which in case #1 is a mix of Hot Dry Air & extra-hot exhaust gases which may seem to provide some "Potentializing" effect though it's also exposing to chronic self-poisoning... #2 apparently retains the benefits of that effect without its socio-toxic inconvenients but i wouldn't bet on the long-term performance of secret e-Liquid recipes combined to potential over-heating inside the tank. Category #3 is where the expensive Volcano belongs, while a much more affordable option based on extra-hot exhaust gases emanating from clean-burning butane paves the way to novel solutions integrating "Auto-Conditioning" of a cannabic "fumet" on top of its "Potentialization". More precisely, ovenization is synonymous of deep activation which i'm afraid equally applies to eventual contaminants from vegetal tissue... In comparison it's possible to target trichome glands via what i now call "Micro-Bursting", the problem here is contaminants from the butane can + lighter, although the pipe itself can be considered nearly ideal IMO.

    Nonetheless, right now i can think of no ready-made commercial product offering the best feature(s) of each scenario while rejecting their associated trade-off nuisance(s), which is one good reason to get worried that alternative consumption method still get bad press despite hollow politician promises to promote "Harm Reduction".

    M'well, i'm still awaiting for a 1st attempt to DUPLICATE & PEER REVIEW based on those considerations listed above, so i'm forced to reply that the "safest" vaporizer still ain't available on any market (although it's already been done before, just not yet!)... The closest thing to my "Plan-A" proposal is from DynaVap if you can cope with Hot Dry Air alone as your Release/Transport Agent. I personally cannot and haven't since around 2012 when i started to investigate post-vaporization conditioning by cold fog in vain: initially it was a blessing then repeated abuse falicitated by such convenience forced me to realize i had to search elsewhere, which is when "Inlet Water" came into the big picture. And of course ZERO manufacturer is willing to go through the extra agravation only to benefit a fraction of our market still considered to be marginal.

    So, to put it briefly the market only satisfies user who got the lungs to manage with it and hence bigot anti-cannabic prohibitionists are all too satisfied when failure starts to emerge on the margin...

    My fear is that the fate of inhalation substitutes may be set long before we can pretend finding a solid "Plan-A" capable of reversing the present "anti-tobacco" trend (and similar). That's particularily ironic if not cynical as i've acquired the conviction that a smoker-substitute device can bridge the gap between 2 irreconciliable ideologies, e.g. "them" vs "us".

    But that's me and i'm 1 against many who prefered to reject/ignore such eventuality long ago. Instead you'll be invited to spend money on fancy/expensive glass water toys, etc., etc., which typically launches a slow spiral evolutionary process in hope your luck shall last forever.

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    Good day, have fun!! :D
     
  10. #11 puddleglum, Aug 21, 2019
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    IMHO (but I am not a doctor) the safest way to vape is with a dry-herb vape, made without any plastic or rubber, through a water pipe. I like the EpicVape E-Nano for personal sessions, or the 7th Floor Life Saber Vape for sharing with a group of friends. Honorable mention to MFLB for portable on-the-go.
     
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  11. Now that states are trying to tax vape juice the fda is doing research on it. Only thing I’ve read so far is vape juice shrinks your gums and puts holes in your teeth due to sugar and dry mouth. Water bottle with ya would be a good call.
     
  12. Dont use pens - get a dab or vape rig
     
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  13. Vaping herb is not the same as vaping nicotine or the "carts" going around most of which are FAKE (on the black market, the legal market ones are real). Don't think "vaping" is all the same thing. It's like saying smoking tobacco is the same as smoking weed, it's totally not. Vaping herb is safer than smoking weed as long as you have a quality vape. You get the true flavor of your bud that mostly gets lost in the combustion, you can save avb for edibles, it's efficient, it smells less, it's awesome.
     
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  14. Depends on the oil it is blended with - I vape bud using an airizer and do dab only wont mix oils
     

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