Ireland Overturns Abortion Ban

Discussion in 'Politics' started by garrison68, May 26, 2018.

  1. Similar circumstances. She was a part of the foundation, things changed After she died.
    What she did was catch the ire of Pat Robertson, so she was tied to the unsubstantiated larger picture of that field of study.
    Still don't see any sources that implicates her.
    Claims without sources hold little water.

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  2. Are you kidding. She was a proud supporter of abortion and eugenics. You admit both.

    The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

    Here is her own words....... What else do you need?

    In her own words, first paragraph disputes every single thing you have argued.

    "Seemingly every new approach to the great problem of the human race must manifest its vitality by running the gauntlet of prejudice, ridicule and misinterpretation. Eugenists may remember that not many years ago this program for race regeneration was subjected to the cruel ridicule of stupidity and ignorance. Today Eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems. The most intransigent and daring teachers and scientists have lent their support to this great biological interpretation of the human race. The war has emphasized its necessity."
     
  3. There is not a single mention of abortion in that article.
    As stated earlier her view on eugenics was to stop rampant pregnancies so that women wouldn't feel like they were enslaved by creating many babies in marriage.
    It also divides by "fit and unfit".

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  4. It talks about race, which you denied right?

    Did you read the entire article?

    How about this one, once again, in her own words......

    "
    A Plan for Peace
    by MARGARET SANGER

    First, put into action President Wilson's fourteen points, upon which terms Germany and Austria surrendered to the Allies in 1918.

    Second, have Congress set up a special department for the study of population problems and appoint a Parliament of Population, the directors representing the various branches of science: this body to direct and control the population through birth rates and immigration, and to direct its distribution over the country according to national needs consistent with taste, fitness and interest of individuals. The main objects of the Population Congress would be:

    a. to raise the level and increase the general intelligence of population.

    b. to increase the population slowly by keeping the birth rate at its present level of fifteen per thousand, decreasing the death rate below its present mark of 11 per thousand.

    c. to keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.

    d. to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.

    e. to insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.

    f. to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.

    g. to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives.

    The first step would thus be to control the intake and output of morons, mental defectives, epileptics.

    The second step would be to take an inventory of the secondary group such as illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, dope-fiends; classify them in special departments under government medical protection, and segregate them on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strengthening and development of moral conduct.

    Having corralled this enormous part of our population and placed it on a basis of health instead of punishment, it is safe to say that fifteen or twenty millions of our population would then be organized into soldiers of defense---defending the unborn against their own disabilities.

    The third step would be to give special attention to the mothers' health, to see that women who are suffering from tuberculosis, heart or kidney disease, toxic goitre, gonorrhea, or any disease where the condition of pregnancy disturbs their health are placed under public health nurses to instruct them in practical, scientific methods of contraception in order to safeguard their lives---thus reducing maternal mortality.

    The above steps may seem to place emphasis on a health program instead of on tariffs, moratoriums and debts, but I believe that national health is the first essential factor in any program for universal peace.

    With the future citizen safeguarded from hereditary taints, with five million mental and moral degenerates segregated, with ten million women and ten million children receiving adequate care, we could then turn our attention to the basic needs for international peace.

    There would then be a definite effort to make population increase slowly and at a specified rate, in order to accommodate and adjust increasing numbers to the best social and economic system.

    In the meantime we should organize and join an International League of Low Birth Rate Nations to secure and maintain World Peace.

    Summary of address before the New History Society, January 17th, New York City"
     
  5. She talked of racial chaos and in improving the race. I don't see any group other than mentally, physically, or morally inadequate.

    Her stance was common of the time for some so called elites.
    I find it rather distasteful, but still, as of yet, have not seen a particular race targeted.
    Sterilization is a wacky idea, but again only directed at the above.

    Over population was a major worry of the period. She wanted birth control for the World.

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  6. I don't agree with everything Margaret Sanger stood for, but I'd prefer her ideas on population control, over those of Catholic Church and most of the conservative religious movements of then and now.

    I believe we should pay cash, or give other incentives, to those who are not good candidates for parenthood, such as criminals, drug addicts, the feeble-minded, etc., to get sterilized, voluntarily.
     
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  7. Controlling population by death is always about ending other people's lives, never one's own. But yeah, a paid voluntary sterilization program for all women who want it, good idea.
     
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  8. The program should include vasectomies for men, as well.
     
  9. The night before my brother's wedding we were on a serious session and the brother asked my father for any advise he had to offer.
    The auld lad langers drunk but as quick as a whippet announces "Get a vasectomy".
     
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  10. I know some people id like to pay to not breed, can you send me the money to give to them?

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  11. yea, pay your taxes. That money will find it's way to PP.
     
  12. Exactly. Through genocide and sterilization. Pure hate, and evil. This reminds me of the member Landrace who thinks Hitler was just misunderstood.....
     
  13. Godwin's Law is still running strong.
     
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  14. "In 1927, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that forced sterilization of the handicapped does not violate the U.S. Constitution. In the words of Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendall Holmes, “…three generations of imbeciles are enough.” In 1942, the ruling was overturned, but not before thousands of people underwent the procedure."

    History TV
     
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