Informative article, Disturbing Discussion

I came across this article about a half-hour ago:
http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/17603/The_Marijuana_Conspiracy_Fuck_the_Man

And I found myself needing to read every post on this endless page:
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/17603/The_Marijuana_Conspiracy_Fuck_the_Man

Since the post page is so long, I decided to take out some of the arguments that pro-marijuana and anti-marijuana posters had to say. As I advanced down the page the arguments proposed by the anti-marijuana posters grew increasingly outrageous and immoral. Especially by this one member known as xyvoglom. See for yourself.

slipknot4320:
people saying pot is safe, ask some people who have had their pot laced with another drug if its safe. I know someone who passed out for 2 days because she smoked weed laced with Meth. Weed isn't as safe as everyone thinks it is. Plus it makes you lazy
This was one anti-marijuana users argument, which was semi-ridiculous, just for the fact that he's saying that marijuana + a harmful drug makes marijuana by itself harmful.

xyvoglom:
\t\tI despise all you fucking pot heads. You're pathetic.
Here's the guy you will find later to be unbearable. If you have a weak stomach, please go no further.

tempest3991:
\t\tAgree compleltly with you xyvoglom, pot is ridcioulous, pointless, and a waste of time.

I guess all these people need to escape their shithole lives and get high for awhile.

Hopefully they will get addicted and start doing more potent drugs so that they end up overdosing, which will help the war against drugs by setting an example of what drugs do to you.
A stereotype of "potheads." Of course we all have shithole lives and need to escape from our living hell. We will get addicted to a drug that is non-addictive and prove the gateway theory. I myself have never gone into hard drugs, and I don't plan to. I have a perfectly happy life and do not use marijuana in any way to escape from my problems.

xyvoglom:
All they wanna do is sit in their rooms getting high because they can't think of anything worth while doing. Smoking pot isn't cool, It's not sociable. Infact, it's completely anti-social. When you drink alcohol it loosens one's tenseness. Oh, pot does the same does it? Yeah, well alcohol doesn't turn you into a fucking spaced out dork, sitting in silence with your fellow stoned friends. Neither does tobacco. Pot should be kept illegal for the simple reason it turns people into losers with no money or jobs.
Uhhhh, does this need a comment? Oh and just as a side note, I'm usually not sitting in silence with my stoner friends; the room is filled with laughter.

emohcirt:
\t\t@tempest
It may be a waste of time, yes, and it might even be ridiculous. But it has a point. People do like to escape the hardships of their lives every once in a while, probably the same as you when you hit up a bar and drink yourself stupid. Every pothead's life is not a shithole, though those whose lives are that bad have a fair excuse for wanting to forget their troubles. now you're really showing your lack of knowledge by substantiating the gateway theory, and quoting anti-drug propaganda. if you don't like it, then fine. stoners probably don't like you either. but please, please, for the love of all that is good in this world keep your hateful, biased, completely off-topic comments to your self.
At least he realizes the hateful comments given by the past posts.

EvaUnitZero:
Yeah, why bother smoking weed which'll make you hornier than a weasel on heat, laugh out loud at anything and play music (or whichever creative outlet you have a natural affinity with) like you were born to do it, when you can drink a liquid with a certain ratio of yeast piss in it, which'll retard your nerve activity, cause depression and systematically attack your brain, CNS, stomach lining, liver and pretty much anything else it comes into contact with?
Proves a good point comparing the two substances.

emohcirt:
\t\t@xyvoglom

I wasn't even going to bother responding to your earlier post, but now you've given me some actual points to address. you're obviously not a stoner, or friends with any stoners, yet you make all these generalizations.

"All they wanna do is sit in their rooms getting high because they can't think of anything worth while doing." - right, because you know so many stoners personally and follow their everyday lives and know for a fact that they sit in their rooms all day spaced out. great argument

"Smoking pot isn't cool, It's not sociable. Infact, it's completely anti-social. When you drink alcohol it loosens one's tenseness. Oh, pot does the same does it? Yeah, well alcohol doesn't turn you into a fucking spaced out dork, sitting in silence with your fellow stoned friends. Neither does tobacco." - OK. it's not 'cool'. I won't touch that with a ten foot pole. Is it antisocial because no potheads want to be your friends? how do you make a judgement like that? not to mention you contradict yourself two sentences later. And you're right, alcohol doesn't turn you into any of those things. It turns you into an angry, depressed, violent, impotent horndog who has no reasoning whatsoever, is completely oblivious to his surroundings, and has no inhibition to speak of. That's sooooooo much better than sitting in silence with your friends (who aren't puking everywhere and falling all over each other) and watching a movie or doing some other harmless activity. The tobacco comment needs no response...

"Pot should be kept illegal for the simple reason it turns people into losers with no money or jobs." - I hate to tell you this, but you're describing a drunk, not a stoner. I have many friends and know many middle-agers who have extremely gratifying careers, and are by no means 'losers'. They all smoke pot on an almost daily basis.

In short, your arguments are all based in either fallacy or delusion (not to mention completely off the topic of the article). I hope you have a wonderful afternoon!
No comment.

GoogleJew:

\t\t@Slipknot
Dude, do you hear what you're saying? Weed isn't safe because it could be laced?! Well, neither is tylenol cause that could be laced, too. THAT had to be among the stupidest arguments against weed.

Also (for the hear what you are saying part), if your friend smoked meth, he'd be up for two days, not the other way around. In fact, I HIGHLY doubt that anything like that happened, since for a drug to be that powerful, it would be rather expensive (morphine, heroin, etc) no one puts that on weed, you tool.
Fellow Jew commenting on what I had commented on earlier.

bulshoy:
\t\t@xyvoglom

QUOTE> "Yeah, well alcohol doesn't turn you into a fucking spaced out dork, sitting in silence with your fellow stoned friends"

This spaced out dork had no problem obtaining an engineering degree and a great job, OR raising a family and volunteering with local not-for-profit organizations. Pretty difficult to do that in your basement, no?

So much for your theory.
Disproving xyvoglom "pothead" stereotype.

Reaper:
\t\t@idiotknot

"people saying pot is safe, ask some people who have had their pot laced with another drug if its safe. I know someone who passed out for 2 days because she smoked weed laced with Meth. Weed isn't as safe as everyone thinks it is. Plus it makes you lazy "

Baby food is not safe,I read in the newspaper that someone found glass in a jar of baby food,lets make it illegal.

Vote NO on baby food!

@the other idiot

"All they wanna do is sit in their rooms getting high because they can't think of anything worth while doing."

Not so,it's just easier not to get caught if you are sat in your room.Another positive side effect of sitting in your room is that we can be sure we will not have to have any contact with complete tools like you.

"Smoking pot isn't cool"

yes it is.

"It's not sociable. Infact, it's completely anti-social."

Wrong again asshole,when a group of friends get together and smoke weed,that's being sociable,oh you meant non-smokers like you feel left out because they don't get to hang with the "cool kids"? Funny really,you hate stoners but are complaining because they don't want to be your friend.Poor you.

"When you drink alcohol it loosens one's tenseness."

I think what you mean is alcohol makes you forget where the limits are.

"Oh, pot does the same does it?"

No pot calms you down,not winds you up.

"Yeah, well alcohol doesn't turn you into a fucking spaced out dork, sitting in silence with your fellow stoned friends."

No it doesn't,alcohol turns you into an asshole with no consideration for anyone else.

"Pot should be kept illegal for the simple reason it turns people into losers with no money or jobs."

I have been smoking weed on and off for around 10 years and I have a money AND a job AND 2 cars(well one is my wifes but I bought it for her) AND a mortgage so I guess you are wrong once again you fucking asshat.
Nice arguments, but he really isn't helping by saying that pot is 'cool'. In no way is someone cool or not cool by smoking or not smoking weed.

xpar420x:
\t\tFor the record...another lazy good for nothing stoner

Masters degree...house, cars, child, wife, awesome job...whew good thing stoners are good for nothing...Oh did I mention kids soccer and baseball coach...
whew...you caught another lazy stoner sitting in his basement getting high. I can see the light..Thanks all you non-smokers. I will come to your side and drink and beat my wife...now that sounds fun!
Again disproving the "pothead" stereotype mentioned above.

xyvoglom:
\t\t@emohcirt

Hey douche bag, I did know stoners actually. I was friends with stoners. I hung out with them when they were somking it, though I never wanted to try it myself. I was almost caught by the police with them. I was forced to hang out with my friends while they wasted their lives. I know all about looking for a supplier and then looking for somewhere to smoke it. I got tired of it. I got sick of my own friends wasting my time, forcing me to do something I wanted no part of and endangering my reputation. Should I simply have put up with it?

I dropped those friends eventually. I am better than they were and I am better than you are. Whether marijuana is hazardous for people's health or not, I obey the law and I live my life responsibly. How can someone feel so passionate about something as meaningless as the legalisation of a substance for recreational purposes?

And all you "degree and family" people, congratulations, you have accomplished what uncountable millions of people have done without dope. Just think how succesful you would have been if you weren't such a fucking smart ass substance abuser.
Beginning with name-calling this post just increasingly goes downhill. Apparently, he was forced to hang-out with people he didn't want to. He seems to think he is superior then past posters because he obeys the law and lives responsively. For all of the stoners out there that have never been caught just like me, apparently we are not responsible. We don't have the right to want something to be legalized that is virtually harmless and makes us feel good.

bulshoy:
\t\t@xyvoglov

QUOTE>> "And all you "degree and family" people, congratulations, you have accomplished what uncountable millions of people have done without dope."

That's kind of the point though isn't it?

People who smoke weed can do just as well as those who do not.

QUOTE>> "I was forced to hang out with my friends while they wasted their lives."

So your friends are losers. Good for you.

QUOTE>> "Just think how succesful you would have been if you weren't such a fucking smart ass substance abuser."

HAHAHA. That's quite funny. If I didn't smoke weed, I probably wouldn't be have decided to learn piano, horticulture or any number of interesting hobbies.

QUOTE>> "I obey the law and I live my life responsibly."

So keep living inside the box. It seems to work for you. Don't question the validity of laws; just blindly do what you're told like a good little sheep.
No comment.

atomicbomb666:
\t\t@xyvoglom
You're basicly a judgemental dickhead who really needs to get high.

Anyways.. You can buy hemp shoes. This pretty much replaces any need for the other material used.

xyvoglom:
\t\tJudgemental? Yes
Dickhead? Yes
Needs to get high? Go fuck yourself

I got news for you bro, hemp shoes suck.

There's obviously no persuading the addicted.
Why do hemp shoes suck? No reasons? Again with addiction... It's not addictive, I stopped cold-turkey a month ago and I'm doing fine, although I wouldn't mind smoking a bowl to the face right now.

I will post more in a few, this has taken a long time already.

 

Reaper:
"How can someone feel so passionate about something as meaningless as the legalisation of a substance for recreational purposes?"

By the way,if smoking weed is so anti-social how come your friends had no problem with you hanging out with them even though you didn't smoke?

"And all you "degree and family" people, congratulations, you have accomplished what uncountable millions of people have done without dope. Just think how succesful you would have been if you weren't such a fucking smart ass substance abuser."

And how do you know we wouldn't have done worse without pot?
I know I would be in jail if I hadn't started smoking it and chilled the fuck out so your "what if" theory is bullshit.
No comment.

xyvoglom
Reaper, don't be dumb, I already explained why I hate it - it cost me a bunch of friends. My friends didn't consider me anti-social because they didn't notice because they were so hell bent on getting high.

I wish you were in jail. Getting sodomised by a huge ******.
Why all the hate? That last comment was totally unneccessary.

emohcirt:
I'm passionate about wanting higher quality textile/food/plastic/medicine at a cheaper price. I'm angry about my tax money being spent on making sure I will never have these things. I'm passionate about debunking gutter science that is motivated by policians who use it to make a profit off the American People. I'm passionate about not wanting my tax money spent on harassing medical providers and patients. I'm PASSIONATE about everyone being treated fairly and equally under the law. Smoking a bowl before bed shouldn't make you a criminal.

You obviously chose your friends poorly, as many people do. You made a personal decision not to smoke, many others didn't make the same decision. Don't think for a second that you're better than me or anyone else though.

btw, have you ever even worn hemp shoes? my instincts tell me you haven't. now please go flame the 911 conspiracy theorists or anti-bush crowd and leave the stoners alone please.
No comment. But definatly knows what he stands for. I don't think xyvoglom does.

Reaper:
"Reaper, don't be dumb, I already explained why I hate it - it cost me a bunch of friends. My friends didn't consider me anti-social because they didn't notice because they were so hell bent on getting high."

So fucking what,big deal,get over it bitch.Ha ha,you got no mates!

"I wish you were in jail. Getting sodomised by a huge ******."

So on the one hand you are against weed and use the old arguement about how my life would be better without it (thanks for caring by the way) and on the other you wish I was in jail getting assraped by a "huge ******"

What if I was to tell you that I am a huge ******?

You are a moron and your friends were probably relieved when you fucked off and left them alone.
No comment.

Here's where it gets real bad people.
xyvoglom:
Haha, I AM better than you all. I just realised this second. Why am I having an argument with a bunch of pot head losers? Man, I was getting a tiny bit wound up once or twice in this thread I must admit, until the truth came to me so clear. You people don't matter. Your opinions are worthless, not only to me, but to society.

Thank you all. For a split second you almost had me convinced that maybe I was wrong. Of course I am right. You people's ability to tell right from wrong has been compromised by drugs - you couldn't possibly be right. Oh well. Maybe one day you will learn. Hopefully prison will make you open your eyes. Or losing your wife and children (hopefully). I feel so special and righteous.
We don't matter everyone. Our opinions are worthless to society. This guy is so full of himself that it just aggrivates me. Who here as lost there wife and children to mary-jane? I know a family that has formed because of it... IndianaToker and RMJL which I give the best of luck to.

TaronWarrior:
\t\tWHY PEOPLE SHOULDN'T DO POT

People shouldn't do pot for a lot of reasons, but I'm sure we've all heard the BS before and nobody on here really cares. So I'll just take the two minutes of your life it takes to read this and point out TWO REASONS YOU SHOULDN'T DO POT.

(1) POT MAKES YOU SMELL LIKE SHIT.

(2) POT MAKES YOU LOOK RETARDED AND ACT RETARDED.

Coincidentally, the two things I hate more than anything in the entire world are smelly people and stupid people. Therefore, pot is the spawn of all things I hate. Fantastic.

Once they start making pot that doesn't smell like shit and doesn't get your eyes red and glazed over, I'll start considering it.

Until then, good luck with your endless debate of wanting to do pot. I am impressed that most of you could actually find your keyboard and type without trying to chew on it first, though.
Is this a joke? I may have been fooled that my finger was a twinkie when I was dxm tripping once, but I'm not braindead while high. These people obviously have no concept on what it feels like to fly.
Reaper:
\t\t@idiot again

You're ability to tell right from wrong has been compromised by stupidity - you couldn't possibly be right.

"I feel so special and righteous."

I'm sure you do,now go get run over by a car you little apple shining bitch.
And by the way,ducking out of an arguement because you face opposition just shows that you know how weak your arguement is.

I'm sorry but you only get one life and I'd rather spend mine doing what I choose to rather than blindly following orders like a fucken sheep.Smoking weed hurts no-one but lets for a minute entertain these bogus reports of weed turning you into a vegtable or whatever is the latest claim by government paid scientists,how are non-smokers suffering because I smoke a joint or two in my own home,away from the public?
Ah,I am hurting myself you say (thanks again for caring so much about my health but so little about my right to choose) well I have said it before and I will say it again-

I am not allowed to smoke weed but I am free to stick a cactus up my ass anytime I like and I wont even get arrested for it.Now which would cause the most damage?

I am a grown man with a job and everything society tells me I should have but because I smoke weed I could be thrown in jail.How fucking pathetic.

@TaronWarrior

1) Smells are not illegal.

2) Maybe we should just round up all the genuinely retarded people in the world and shoot them if it's that much of a problem for you.I bet you drink don't you? You probably don't realize this when you are drunk but it does make you smell,like piss as a matter of fact,and talk about acting retarded,drunks have stoners beat hands down when it comes to looking like complete idiots.
No comment.

xyvoglom:
Man, you know what's the funniest part about you stupid idiots? You HAVE to convince us that we are wrong about cannabis. You can't just believe what you want, you HAVE to try and make us believe too, because you need the approval of everyone else in order to convince yourselves that the government is wrong, and that you are right.

Why else would there be a "Marijuana is good" thread every couple of days on Shoutwire? You people need to discuss it because individually you're not entirely sure whether it's right or wrong, you need fellow idiots to agree with you and need "pathetic law abiders" to argue with you.

Guess what moron? We don't care if you smoke it, to tell you the truth. We don't care if you go to jail or are fined. We only voice our opposed opinions because we are fed up of you lot slapping each other on the backs, thinking you know how life should be led.

Smoke yourselves to death for all I care, just as long as I don't have to smell that shit from where I am sitting.
He is just pulling stuff out of his ass now. And for the record, you can't smoke yourself to death.

Reaper:
\t\tYou just can't stop being wrong can you?
If you didn't care if we smoked ourselves to death you wouldn't care if it was legalized for use only in our own homes.
I don't need any approval to know that it is wrong to jail people for smoking weed,just common sense.
And these articles pop up alot because alot of people smoke weed and as for convincing you that you are wrong,well it's obvious that you aren't going to change your mind from the statements you have made but to balance that out there will always be a non-smoker that isn't a closed minded idiot who will read this and see that every arguement that you people bring up against weed has been answered many,many times before but you just stick to the same old shit and ignore our opinions because then you would have to admit that there may be a possibilty that you are wrong and you could never be wrong could you? You admitted you were wrong about smokers having no jobs,is it really so hard to imagine that you may be wrong about all of it?

And I would be happy if they lagalized it for home use only,and if what you just said is really true,then you would be happy too because you wouldn't have to smell it.
No comment

Check out the message board if you want to read more, tired of copying and pasting.

 

I just wanted to share how stupid the arguments of some of the posters were and my views on their points in a somewhat sarcastic manner. Didn't mean any harm.

 

Haha, I started reading it and couldn't stop. I just thought that xyvoglom was getting out of hand and I had to show you guys. I apologize for the time that is spent reading this.

 

Agreed. I wasn't intending on dissecting their arguments or trying to make sense out of them. Just pointing out exactly what you said, They are impossible to reason with and are a waste of time.

 

Yea, lol. Someone mentions that later on the board.