I Am a Christian

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by THeConnoisseur, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. Hello All,

    I was browsing through this Spirituality and Philosophy thread, and felt that devout Christians were not strongly enough represented if at all, so I decided to submit my point of view. First of all, let me say that I am not posting this in particular thread to anger anyone, or say that you are wrong, because lets face the reality of it, none of us know. Yet, many of us point our fingers to the next saying, “You are wrong in all of your beliefs, therefore you are ignorant!” Well my friends, it would be ignorant of you to think that all Christians are hardheaded and stubborn to the ideas and beliefs of other cultures or peoples. I myself have the utmost respect for those of you who choose not to believe in my God, of whom I do consider to be Lord and Savior, and yes I do hear him, although not in a literal sense. When my God speaks to me, he is speaking through my subconscious, allowing me to understand the difference between right and wrong. I only know so much as my mind can comprehend, you as well being that we are all only human. Our ideals and beliefs are different because our experiences and attitudes derived from those experiences have led us to conclusions that we believe to be true for our own realities. I know there are some reading my post enraged because I choose to believe in God Almighty, but I am not bothered by you or set off the path I feel is righteous. When trying to understand religion, one must first understand a simple fact, and I call it a fact because neither I nor none of you can provide sufficient evidence proving either side to be a fallacy. The fact is, we are all ignorant, and none of us know what happened when the Earth was born or how our reality came into being. We don’t know this because we were non-existent.

    Now let me explain my reasoning for believing in my God, and why I encourage you not to dismay or at least not discriminate against individuals who choose to believe in something that is different from what it is you believe. I believe in God because he gives me hope; hope that mankind is good in his nature, and hope that after death, there is only life. Without hope there is no meaning for me to live life, which is why I believe in God. “How, then,” you might ask, “Could you believe in God without any solid evidence proving his existence?” This is an excellent question, of which I will answer with an excellent reply…Faith. Faith is at the heart of every devout Christian, Muslim, Mormon, Satanists, Scientologists, and even Scientist. Without faith, many things could never be believed in. Let me provide you with a small example. Is there such a thing as heat? Of course there is. Is there such a thing as cold? Actually, no there isn’t. You may find this statement to be ridiculous, let me elaborate. In science, heat can be measured because objects transmit energy, this energy can be measured, even seen with the proper equipment, but cold can not be measured, it is the absence of heat. Absolute zero is the complete absence of heat, thus, it does not exist. Cold is just a word we use to describe the absence of heat. So how can one begin to believe in a concept or idea that does not exist? Faith. Let me take this a step further. Is there such a thing as light? Of course there is. Is there such a thing as darkness? Once again, no there isn’t, it is just the absence of light. Darkness can not be measured therefore does not exist in the terms of which scientists describe. So once again, how can someone believe in the idea of darkness, when darkness can not be seen, and is only the absence of light? Faith. I’m not here to convert you to Christianity, rather to ask that you only leave your minds open to the possibility of a greater being, be it Christianity or otherwise. Rasta’s believe in Jah, and if you are a Rasta please forgive me, and you are more than welcome to correct me because as I said earlier, I am not closed minded and am definitely open for various interpretations of beliefs from all walks of life. Their Jah, in my eyes, is the same God I believe in, although they do not call him by the same name we Christians refer to him as. You see, many religions are cross-connected having various similarities, of which, the greatest is a belief in one God. Rasta’s also believe in positive vibrations, a feeling of joy and happiness to live you life by. I am fascinated with this concept because I myself try to model my own life in this manner

    As I said before, I am a devout Christian, but I am not naïve to the fact that none of us know for sure, and I can not stress that point enough. All I have is my faith, and all I need is my God. I believe that the main concern for us here on Earth should be to treat each other the way we want others to treat us, and that good deeds should be the central thesis for all men’s lives. If you are going to reply with negative feedback trying to discourage or discriminate me for my beliefs, or others here who feel the same or slightly different, please save yourself from getting carpel tunnel, I will never stop believing in God, even if it means I one day lose my life because of it. We are all here on this good Earth for one reason, to make the most of it. All I can do is try to live life to the best of my ability all the while trying to learn and grow in the process. Please believe me when I say I do indeed respect you, whoever you are, for your own beliefs, and although I may not agree with you, I will not point my finger in ignorance to tell you that you are wrong. Thank you all for taking the time to read my post, and I would appreciate positive feedback, questions, or point of views, because once again, I’m not here to convert, just to discuss and grow

    -THeConnoisseur
     
  2. Oh, and about the cold/heat and light/dark argument, I think that's just a matter of human perception - once again going back to perception of a God.

    (By the way, I'm Christian)
     
  3. Dude, FOSSIL!! :eek:
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  4. You don't understand right and wrong without god? I do...

    Just because you can't prove it's not true DOES NOT MEAN IT'S A FACT, or that it deserves equal (or any) credit compared to evolution and science.

    So family, friends, love, those aren't reasons to live life? And you can still have hope without having to hope for a god. Hope for a better planet for your children can be good enough to do good deeds for any person, religious or otherwise.

    I'm an atheist and I couldn't agree more. There's no reason you need god to make this your lifestyle
     
  5. In my opinion without God there is no right from wrong, he is the way, the truth, and the light!


    You are speaking in a matter of opinion, just the opposite opinion that I have. And who said I didn't believe in evolution or the possibility of evolution. The only difference is, in my opinion if evolution exists, God created it.


    I apologize, I did not elaborate enough. All of these things you mentioned are indeed very good reasons to live! However, once again none of these would be possible without God. God is love. And before you argue God as being the creator of evil, that goes along with the idea that evil does not exists, it is only the absense of good, or the absense of God!


    I appreciate the fact that you are an atheist, and I am in no position to say that you are wrong, but what makes you so right? What "evidence" do you have, minus fossils, to say that you are correct. Is it not true that in the end we are all ignorant to different possibilities of creation?
     

  6. Yes, that is a fossil, when I was a child I was fascinated with archeology. Is there a point to your picture or should I read you mind?
     
  7. What is a satanist?
    I mean no disrespect, and wanted to ask this, as I didn't see any reference to Pagansim with the other beliefs. I certainly hope the word 'satanism' wasn't a reference to this very valid, very old belief system in which christianity is an extension of, all earth based religions.
     
  8. The bible claims "God" created the earth in six days right..the bible also claims the earth to be roughly 5,000 years old. Fossil records date as far back as 200 million years..Congratulations, dumbass! :hello::hello::hello:

    Dumbass? No, behavior like this isn't welcome here. *RMJL
     
  9. Right and wrong are NOT defined by god, have you read the bible? Slavery used to be okay and the bible says it's okay, so was god wrong? So again humans and more specifically society decides what is right and what is wrong, not god.

    Well opinion and fact are two different things. Science is fact, creationism and religion are fictional opinions. That's why science has credibility over religion, facts. Things we know are true and can prove are true using the scientific method. And you can't deny evolution exists (if you've done any credible learning on the subject) so if a God does exist, evolution was the process he used to bring humans into the earth. The question then is if we were the final product for God, why wait billions of years for us to get here?

    The way you word this sounds to me like you're more spiritual than religions, which I can respect because my beef is with religion, not god. But it sounds like you think nature is god, love is god, hate is god, we're all part of god. Again I would consider that more of a spiritual belief than religious but correct me if I'm wrong. I still don't agree with your opinion that love (and other things) aren't possible without god.

    I can take your last sentence with a grain of salt because the human brain is limited as to what it can imagine about something it's never seen and knows so little about. However what makes my position so right (evidence) is thousands of years of scientific study about the earth. Fossils are a big part sure, that just shows the earth isn't 7000 years old. But common sense has a big role too. I mean man just sprang from a rib? Living in whales for days. Putting 2 of every fucking animal in the world onto a single boat made of wood thousands of years ago? I mean even if science doesn't prove 100% what happened, religion's attempt to explain it is a complete joke. Again facts go a long way, even if it's not all the way (yet).
     
  10. Why would you limit yourself to the idea of God? Why do you have faith in god? Why have you stopped questioning? Why have you given up the very thing that sets us appart from other animals on this earth?
     


  11. yes, but do you believe that followers of other religions make it to "heaven" if they don't believe in the doctrine of substitutionary atonement?

    I think I know the answer from this:



    but I just wanted to check

    the last part of the above quoted sounds a lot like the gospel of John, in which Jesus continually uses the phrase "I am".. This language is different from the other synoptic gospels, and even moderate theologians accept that Jesus probably didn't say a lot of the things he was purported to have said in the gospel of John.


    Wow. This is just plain ignorance. Do you think or bother to research before you hit the reply button and get those keys clacking? There are so many denominations and Christians that don't believe in a literal interpretation of the bible.
     
  12. Now I didn't call anyone names or say that your belief system, if any, was stupid did I? So why do you find it necesarry to transcend to name-calling? I agree with the fact that fossils have been discovered that are extremely old, nonetheless that doesn't make the bible incorrect, rather, misinterpretted by people like you...:wave:
     
  13. Hey, somebody's gotta tell it like it is. Your "religion" is founded on nothing but lies. You can eat up that bullshyt if you want to..I'm good, thanks:bolt:

    I'm the stronghold on your neck that doesn't let you breathe..Stronger than the fake image of God in which you believe..More dangerous than your ignorant ass could ever perceive..


    You got yourself banned. We don't treat our fellow Blades like this. *RMJL
     
  14. I don't know what part of the bible you read where it said slavery was okay, but I have yet to stumble across those verses. May I remind you of the classic story of slaves who Moses freed from Egypt. Furthermore, right and wrong is defined by God, he instills it in every man, woman, and child as a gift, of which should be cherished.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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    Science is not fact, may I remind you of a time when the world was flat, obviously science has yet to percieve our world in the way it really is. Scientists have no idea what is possible. Electrons are a prime example. No scientist can tell you why an electron passing through a two slit plate can pass through both slits. This is a fact that scientists have actually discovered, but can not explain. Much of what science is, is based on belief. Saying that science is fact is extremely arrogant and ignorant, as if I were to say that my beliefs were facts, they are one in the same my friend, ideas based on beliefs. I do not deny evolution, rather, I simply believe if it exists, its because God intended it to.



    Yes sir, you did hit the nail on the head, I am very much more spiritual than religious. I also agree with your beef with religion, it drives me nuts to see religious fanatics ranting about how every other denomintation or religious practice is wrong, when the reality is we have no idea, we are always searching for answers. Once again, however, I don't think these things are possible without God, not to say I don't think you can experience them even if you do not believe in God. Love and other things, in my opinion, can be experienced without the belief in God, but, and once again this is my opinion, I believe that despite the fact that you do not believe in God, if you are a person who for example experiences love, you are experiencing God, despite your beliefs.



    Once again, I think your "evidence" is solely based on a belief structured around some sort of faith. Like I mentioned earlier, scientists are often mistaken at the reality that is around them until much later, not to say that new ideas and concepts can not take root and become truth, but things are always changing. The literal beliefs of the bible I think can drive people away from its contents because the diction is so different than we can percieve it in our time. That being said, I believe that the bible is a source of guidance, of which can be used to base ones life, but once again, people percieve things differently, thus they should live life according to their beliefs.

    I would also like to thank you sir for being so mature in your arguements, some replying have been a tad bit childish for such a touchy subject. So in your regards, you have my respect.
     
  15. Now why would I go wasting my time researching bullshyt?

    And I'm ignorant :rolleyes:
     

  16. This is a good question. First of all, I do not limit myself to the idea of God, as I mentioned earlier I am open to all opinions and beliefs, I never said I was right, just that I believed myself to be right, which is good enough for me. I have faith in God because if I am feeling down or crappy, I feel like I can talk to God, and it actually makes me feel better. This may sound crazy to some people, but I'm not hurting anyone in the process so what's wrong with my methods? If by given up to the thing that sets us apaprt from other animals you mean the ability to question and search for answers, I have not. I do search everyday for new and exciting points of view of how our world may be explained, I just have a belief in a higher power, that's all. Nonetheless, I think it is important to believe in something, because if there's no life after death, I don't really see the point of life, even if there is family, love, etc. We'd just be a chapter in a never-ending book, characters defined by a moment instead of an eternity.
     


  17. so your whole game was to come into a thread in which you have very little knowledge of the subject being discussed, spout some bullshit about fossils and the creation story, and generalize the beliefs of christians?


    ignorant atheists are just as stupid as ignorant christians
     
  18. I Smell bullshyt!! If you don't limit yourself to the idea of god, you must disregard your religion from time to time in order to think outside the box..tell me how the fuck is that faith!!!! You're entire argument is one big cluster-fuck. I'm done.
     
  19. HAHAHAHAHA Fossils=Bullshyt??

    Oh, hush. Your too funny!!
     

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