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Discussion in 'Advanced Growing Techniques' started by klipsh, May 27, 2013.

  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE2loGaAMiU
     
     
    400 Watt HPS with 125 Watt Fluoro. Fox Farms Ocean Floor soil cut with sphagnum and perlite. Coffee filters used to help keep the soil in the pot.

    Soil is fed from the bottom up. The soil "wick's" the nutrient rich water up utilizing what it needs. After a period of time the soil will be flushed and slight changes in the nutrient table are made. etc. etc.

    Plants:
    Herojuana-OG (small one in back corner)
    Vortex (front right)
    Jedi-OG (front left)
    I.C.E. (back center right)
     
     
  2. #2 klipsh, May 27, 2013
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    The plants have drank up 15 gallons, give or take a gal or two, of nutrient rich water. I am running out of room with the growth. I am seeing around 12 inches of growth in 7 days. Here are some pics:
     
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  4. The system looked realy good when I started reading your forum, but after seeing a 5" strech between some of the nodes
    I can see there is something very wroung with your set up
     
    I don't know if its the strain/plant, distance between the  canopy and the light  or somthing else.
    the plants look heathy and a nice even canopy
    just hope you can work it out
     
    as the hydro/soil look a realy good ideal and your room may  just need some fine tuning
     
  5. Thank you for the input! I will try to keep that in mind.
     
  6. Here is a pic close up of the top of the plant. I compared it to the previous grow this plant was cloned from and the bud starts are equivalent to 5 days later - day 10 of the hybrid grow is the same as day 15 of the all soil grow. Of course, my methods in general have evolved, but so far the growth is strong and the top stems are fat!
     
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  7. #7 klipsh, May 28, 2013
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    I started the flower stage at 18" tall. I also grew each plant to have only 3 or 4 main branches and pinched off all new branches until day one of flower, from there i have only taken off two branches that grew in unfavorable locations (center beneath main canopy). I decided to focus all bud growth to only the top of the plant from the beginning. My pruning method may have attributed to the initial stretching. But, the top of the main stems seem to have decent spacing. So maybe the pruning style really did make a difference. But I will keep my mind open to other possibilities. Always learning.
     
    Oh, Another thing could be that I used Fox Farms soil which was very high nitrogen content, even when cut the run off measured in at 1700ppm. I have flushed until the runoff was down to ~400ppm. This may be another contributing factor.
     
    I am also refining my nutrient table and I may be stressing them a little this way too, though the new growth since I have been mixing flower nutrients and after the high nitrogen flush, has been tremendous. Excellent shape and color. Pretty much everything that is new growth since day one of flower has been the best results so far for me.
     
  8. #8 joe 60, May 28, 2013
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    Here is a pic close up of the top of the plant. I compared it to the previous grow this plant was cloned from and the bud starts are equivalent to 5 days later - day 10 of the hybrid grow is the same as day 15 of the all soil grow. Of course, my methods in general have evolved, but so far the growth is strong and the top stems are fat!

    The clones will often flower before seedling as seedling take a long time to show sex.



    I started the flower stage at 18" tall. I also grew each plant to have only 3 or 4 main branches and pinched off all new branches until day one of flower, from there i have only taken off two branches that grew in unfavorable locations (center beneath main canopy). I decided to focus all bud growth to only the top of the plant from the beginning. My pruning method may have attributed to the initial stretching. But, the top of the main stems seem to have decent spacing. So maybe the pruning style really did make a difference. But I will keep my mind open to other possibilities. Always learning.

    pruning the plants in veg "top pruning technique TPT

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    This is the best way of pruning a plant, you will get plants like this every time.
    you need to slow the plants down so they bush out, thick stems and full of nodes
    this will give you loads of large bud sites in flower

    realy good to help a grower with an open mind and willing to learn

     


     

    Oh, Another thing could be that I used Fox Farms soil which was very high nitrogen content, even when cut the run off measured in at 1700ppm. I have flushed until the runoff was down to ~400ppm. This may be another contributing factor.


    I don't know much about your system but I will do my best to help,

     the way you could play it next time, is to have a space between the bottom of the pot and the top of the water (1") let the roots grow into the tank by giving the plants 25% more nutes/water
    after the roots grow into the tank make the gap 4", use nutes for dwc in the tank and only use water/nutes so there's a small run off into the tank (water them very slow)
    slowly drop the ph to 5.8 in the tank and keep the ph to 6.5 when watering the soil

    this way the bottom roots, will take all the nutes they need at any time out the tank and the
    roots will use the add nutes in the soil to give you the best bud grown, best of both worlds :)
    try and let the ec drop low in the tank so the plants feed more off the soil
    this will reduce any build up in the tank

    never know you could have a new way of growing loads of top qualty bud.




    I am also refining my nutrient table and I may be stressing them a little this way too, though the new growth since I have been mixing flower nutrients and after the high nitrogen flush, has been tremendous. Excellent shape and color. Pretty much everything that is new growth since day one of flower has been the best results so far for me.

    give the plants the right amout of npk and trace nutes will give you top results
    not alway, easy to do

    your plants do look very healthy and loads of bud sites all over plants :)
     
  9. Holy sh*t, thanks man. That was one of the best replies i've seen. Thanks for the great info!
     
  10. Ah, I see, the TPT will slow the top node growth. I noticed when I leave a leaf I have large node growth and when I prune a leaf, the lower connecting node is far shorter.
     
  11. Day 12 - took pics showing I took out the feeder reservoir and just have a 5 gal bottle with a pump ready for me to fill the buckets when they need it. The Jedi is now taking in a full bucket a day worth of nutrient water.
     
    I also applied a little of the above logic by pinching one or two top leaves to keep selected nodes stunted. I only did this to a very select few since I am trying not to leaf prune as a partial side experiment. I only took a leaf from the tallest colas from about the 4th node down to keep what is still together... together.
     
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  12. More from day 12, just showing the trunks and the super-cropping results.
     
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  13. Implementation - now I just need to wait for lights on to insert and drill bottom of the pots.
     
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  14. #14 joe 60, May 31, 2013
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    Day 12 - took pics showing I took out the feeder reservoir and just have a 5 gal bottle with a pump ready for me to fill the buckets when they need it. The Jedi is now taking in a full bucket a day worth of nutrient water.

    good as long as the plants are drinking the same amount of water /nutes every day your good
    if the plant starts to drink less water, then I reduce the amout of nutes in the water for a couple of days


     I also applied a little of the above logic by pinching one or two top leaves to keep selected nodes stunted. I only did this to a very select few since I am trying not to leaf prune as a partial side experiment. I only took a leaf from the tallest colas from about the 4th node down to keep what is still together... together.

    removing fan leaves will still stop that part of the plant from growing and will give the buds direct light, a good move
    I know a lot of growers say the fan leaves store enegy and food and absorb the light, they do but I think there's a good change the plants waiting for the pollen to pollinated the flowers and use all the stored enegy for seeds.

    The resason why the biggest buds are at the top of the plant is to give the plant the best chance of catching the pollon as it blows over the buds, so the more air flow, light  and top bud sites the bigger the yeild


     

    the best time is in early veg to TPT , you can get loads of side branches all the same hight as the main top in late veg, the node space is always very close, so as the buds start to grow they all join up making loads of  large bud sites, when I remove all the fan leaves just before I havest, the plants are full of large dank buds.

    Your tank looks good with the pump and airstone,  if any of them holes let any light in you will get root problems
     
    The stems are thick and heatly, good job with the super cropping.
    the buds/nodes are close at the top of the plant so you will get so nice long danks buds :)
     
     
  15. Thanks again! I put the homemade spacers in the buckets, everything is working as it should. 90 percent of the bubbles are going up into the bucket and soil from directly beneath. The other 10% is overflow into the surrounding water keeping it oxygenated also.
     
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    I might use this idea next grow. These were actually my mother plants. They only made it through one grow before I decided not to house mothers... Not when I can buy feminized seeds cheaply enough. AND with buying seeds I can try so many different flavors, the world has to offer!
     
  17. #17 klipsh, Jun 7, 2013
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  18. #18 joe 60, Jun 7, 2013
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    Klipsh
    Come on mate been wait for update for the last week
    and you put one up and video don't work
     
    edit : now the video works :)
     
  19. lol, sorry. I had technical difficulties while uploading. I cleared my browsing history and, bam, I was logged out of Youtube and my video stopped uploading 90% in.
     
    Good news though, today is day 22 and I am noticing so many hairs. Healthy strong white hairs. Up to 6 hairs from a single calyx. Given how early it is I am hopeful this means many new soon to bloom calyxes within the flower structure. I only point this out because in my previous grow with the same soil only mixture of Fox Farms Ocean Floor, peat, and perlite, the bud structure at day 22 was noticeably less.
     
    Here is a pic update for day 22 closeups
     
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    And this last one is the I.C.E plant. All of the previous pics were from the Vortex.
     
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  20. Day 26 or 27 pics (i forget:)_
     
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    I changed the water in the Herojuana OG and this little bundle of joy was growing like an underwater bush on the side of the pot
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