How To Avoid Being Busted/Searched On A Traffic Stop

Discussion in 'General' started by smokymtn, Oct 19, 2014.

  1. If you don't use tobacco, do not have a lighter in plain sight.
    Do not have rock/rap playing.  Have country or religious music on ready standby and have it playing.  Do not turn it off.  Most people with nothing to hide turn down volume, never off.
    Do not get out of your car when you are stopped, that is a big red flag to a cop.
    The police use a very common tool to decide whether to search you or not by being very friendly to put you at ease and it usually goes like this:
    They will make reference to whatever the reason for the stop and say, Ok, well you have a good night and drive safely....Oh, by the way, you don't have any firearms or drugs, do you?
    Your response should be a chuckle, like he just told you a joke and say, Are you kidding me?  No way.
    If you look serious or startled and say no.  That cop will search you.
    The police are trained to make it look like an afterthought but, it is a tactic that all of them are using these days.
    If you have long hair, tattoos, piercings or a scraggly beard - don't carry in a vehicle because if you get stopped, you will be searched.
    Stay Alert.  Stay Alive.
    As it is said in China, in english...Rots of ruck.

  2. You would be surprised at how often you do not get searched regardless of long hair, tats or piercings.
    Besides that it wouldn't be admissible in court since any and all evidence seized would be due to an illegal search and seizure...Y'all need to study ya law books, B. :cool:
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  3. If you refuse a search, they will call K9.  I personally know Federal/State/Local law enforcement personnel.
    Think as you wish.  I'm just passing on what I know.  I don't care what happens to you after that.
    Ain't thinkin'...That's all experience, my ass has been in and out of court rooms all over the U.S. :cool:
  5. In that case you should know that if something is found by the police, all they need to say is that they detected the odor or you seemed impaired.  If you have enough money to spend on attorney fees, then go forth with whatever you wish.
    Have fun.
  6. I've been pulled over half a dozen times, and never searched--and I have long hair + piercings + tattoos (no beard though). Granted, I only had bud in the car I think two of those times, and I was only stoned once. But... you just need to know a few basic rights and put a bit of thought into where you put the bud if you MUST travel with it (IE don't have in sitting in the cup holder). If you do those things, the confidence far easier because you'll know what to say and you'll know your bud is well-hidden. 
    Most importantly though is to just not get pulled over. I've been pulled over once for 'speeding', but the other times were because of expired registration / bulbs out / window tint (illegal reason to get stopped in my state, but w/e). So keep your car legal. 
  7. #7 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    This info you give is inaccurate, vague and will get someone arrested!! Here is the proper way to protect yourself during police encounters:

    NEVER FORGET!! ALWAYS carry one or more audio/video recording devices with you into the public world. NEVER go out without them.
    Try to make sure that they are always charged or have good batteries as necessary. The moment you suspect that you are going to have an encounter with some public servant/official, then, TURN THEM ON AND START RECORDING!
    Having a pen and notepad of some kind readily available for taking notes is also recommended. Write down any names and badge numbers you receive and use them accordingly. It is also recommended that if you have a cell phone in addition to other recording devices, then, you ALSO call someone that can act as an audible witness to what is said during the encounter and possibly also record the conversation from their end as well. No matter what the officer says, DO NOT hang up the phone. If necessary, LIE about who you have on the phone!! Tell the officer that it is your legal counsel on the line and you will not comply with any of his/her demands without proper legal advice from your counsel.
    There is no law against being on the phone during such an encounter, nor is there any legal basis for an officer to threaten you or demand that you disconnect your call during the encounter. The idiotic claim that such a demand is related to “officer safety” is not a plausible basis for such demand.
    What you say and do during a “transportation” stop can mean the difference between simply getting a citation (or not) and being released to continue on your way, or, being hauled off (illegally) to jail. These questions and actions are specifically designed to protect both your physical being and your fundamentally protected rights. If you fail to follow these recommended procedures then you should not be surprised when things do not go the way you want them to. Ignore these procedures at your own peril.
    Maintain your composure and speak in a calm and collected voice and manner at all times. Treat the officer with respect. You want the video evidence to show that if anyone lost self-control during the encounter it was the officer(s) and not you. It is also important that you ask anyone else that may be with you to remain silent and to say and do nothing except as described herein. If they are unfamiliar with these concepts and procedures then it would be a good idea for you to either educate them on these concepts and procedures or simply don't have them with you. Someone else can get you into just as many problems as you can yourself if they say or do things other than as described herein.
    While I am aware that there is the ability to say less just as effectively, I believe that we should be working toward ending these abuses and behavior by our public servants by making a record that would allow us to take action against those of them that refuse to honor and obey our rights, their oath of office, and the limits of their power and authority. This script is intended to assist you in making a viable record that can be used in a lawsuit against these public servants in state and federal court. If you can get THEM talking about the violations they are perpetrating and their knowing and willful intent to commit those violations, then, a jury is much more likely to find in your favor when the officer(s) stand condemned from their own mouths and recordings.
    Dos and Don'ts:
    Do remember that an officer is REQUIRED to read you your rights before questioning or searching you if they have placed you in a custodial arrest. You ARE ALWAYS in a custodial arrest when stopped for an alleged “traffic offense” (see Secs. 543.001-.009, Transp. Code). The reading of your rights is a mandatory requirement that works in your favor unless/until you behave stupidly by talking voluntarily (sees Art. 38.22, Code of Crim. Proc.). Be aware, however, they almost NEVER do this, meaning that anything incriminating that you may say or that they may find can be suppressed as an involuntary or coerced statement or illegal warrantless search and seizure. You should also be aware that the officer(s) is/are trained to lie about you being in a custodial arrest and will most likely say instead that you are in an “investigative detention.” understand that this is a TOTAL LIE! You almost always ARE in a full-blown custodial arrest!
    Don't EVER answer an officer's questions. You have the right to remain “silent,” so USE IT!
    However, being “silent” DOES NOT mean to suddenly become a DEAF MUTE! It simply means that you are NOT to provide ANY information or documents in response to the officer's demands or questions.
    Invoke your fundamentally protected right to remain “silent” and to assistance of counsel, and then simply refuse to waive them, which you will do if you comply with the officer's demands.
    The foremost thing to remember in these situations is to NOT engage the officer(s) in idle conversation, dialog, or chitchat. It is important that the ONLY things you say to the officer(s) are specifically directed at the reservation and protection of your fundamentally protected rights, and nothing else. This is known as my self-imposed rule of “invoke, demand, protect.” Once you have invoked these rights NEVER waive or abandon them by ignoring these recommended procedures.
    Questions like “Where are you coming from?”, “Where are you going?”, “Who are you meeting?” have NOTHING to do with a “transportation stop.” They are used simply to get additional information that may allow the officer to continue his witch hunt and escalate the severity of the charge(s) he might make against you. Also, NEVER answer questions like “Do you know why I pulled you over?” or “Are you aware that you?”
    STOP HELPING HIM SCREW YOU OVER! DON'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS! Remember the cardinal rule about talking freely, SHUT UP, KEEP SHUTTING UP, and when you have done that, SHUT UP SOME MORE!
    Do remember to roll up ALL of your windows and to lock your doors whenever you get pulled over, and don't ever open them or get out. That being said, MY personal habit, on warm and sunny days, has always been to carefully but quickly exit the car (keeping my hands in plain view) BEFORE the officer can prevent me from doing so, while simultaneously locking my doors, throwing the keys into the front seat, and closing the door. Doing this removes the possibility of you having access to any form of weapon that may be inside the car and could be used to injure the officer(s). In this way the officer no longer has the legal ability or excuse to conduct a warrantless search of your car, even if they tow it. Remember to keep a spare door key in your wallet, pocket, or purse if you do this. However, if it is freezing cold and/or pouring down rain, remain in your car and let the officer stand outside for as long as he likes in order to conduct his unlawful and illegal witch hunt while you take your time in following this script.
    Don't EVER roll down more than one (1) window at a time if you remain in your car during the stop, no matter what the officer(s) tell you to do. This eliminates the possibility of an officer fabricating an opportunity to escalate the stop by saying that the resulting cross-breeze allowed him/her to smell something. If you must open a different window then is certain that you have closed all other windows before doing so.
    Don't EVER roll down your one open window more than two and a-half (2.5) inches, no matter what the officer(s) tell you to do, and for the same reasons as stated above. Just say “I can hear you fine officer and I am most comfortable with the window at its current level, thank you.”
    Don't EVER provide an officer with any documents or other information that they demand. The legal ramifications to your fundamentally protected rights are devastating.
    Don't EVER give your consent to an officer to search your car for any reason. You are just asking to have incriminating evidence planted or discovered that could be used to criminally charge you, and it won't matter if you knew it was there or not, YOU CONSENTED TO THE WARRANLTESS SEARCH!!
    DON'T BE AN IDIOT! Don't let them threaten or coerce you into waiving this right because it also attaches to the waiver of other important fundamental rights that are essential to your legal wellbeing.
    Even if they threaten to have a canine unit report to the scene you must not waive this right. Tell the officer “I do not consent to being detained by you for any additional time or other purposes. Am I free to go or are you going to continue to illegally falsely imprison me beyond the time needed to conclude this stop?”
    Officers will almost always insist that you are NOT under custodial arrest, but rather are simply being “detained” or are part of an “investigative detention.” This is a blatant lie most of the time. No officer has the authority to simply walk up and demand that you answer questions, produce ID, or provide them with your private information, verbally or otherwise. Be aware, however, that when you won't submit and give them your information, their favorite tactic is to threaten to charge you with “Failure to Identify.” However, by the law (Sec. 38.02, Penal Code) you can be charged with “Failure to Identify”
    ONLY if you have ALREADY been lawfully arrested for some other offense, or, you are being lawfully detained for questioning in a criminal investigation, and then ONLY under the following conditions and circumstances; in either case you are required to give ONLY your name, address, and DOB, nothing more; in the case of already being lawfully arrested for some other offense, you cannot refuse to provide these three things; in the case of being lawfully detained, you cannot provide false responses for these three things, but you CAN refuse to provide them at all. You can provide this information verbally. There is no law that requires that it be presented on some form of physical ID or document, nor could there be (anywhere USA) because there is not and cannot be a valid law that requires and compels a private individual to obtain and carry a state or federally issued form of ID.


    1) A DUI bust
    2) A drug bust.


    This is ALWAYS the goal. It is NEVER about “public safety.”
    It is always about maximizing the potential charges against an individual and the revenue that a conviction on those charges generates. STOP HELPING “THEM” SET YOU UP FOR A FALL!
    Also, DO NOT attempt to “educate” the officer(s) about what they can and cannot do or the law associated with “transportation” or the Code of Criminal Procedure. Register your verbal objection to their actions for the record by following the procedures below. Napoleon had it right when he said “Never interrupt your enemy while he is busy making mistakes.” Learn from this wisdom or you WILL make your own “fatal mistakes.”
    Once you know the officer(s) name(s) and badge number(s) use them both together as often as practicable as shown in these procedures. Make him/them aware that they are being directly associated with any unlawful and illegal acts or violations of your fundamentally protected rights in which they might otherwise engage during this encounter. While it is not fatal to the situation if you fail to do so, it is relatively important that you try to do things in the order and verbiage presented below.
    REMINDER: It is important that the only things you say to the officer(s) are specifically directed at the reservation and protection of your fundamentally protected rights and nothing else. Once you have invoked your rights NEVER waive or abandon them by ignoring the recommended procedures listed above and below.
    Simply repeat the verbiage in items 1 & 2 as necessary for each new officer you speak with.
    NOTE: Sub-items 2(a)-(c) are optional, but are also potentially useful during the discovery process if the claim is made later that the officer's equipment was “malfunctioning” during the encounter. Bear in mind that these questions and statements by you are VERY important to the record you are trying to build, try to remember this and use them accordingly.
    1) For the record, may I get your name and badge number please?
    2) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, is there a recording being made of this encounter?
    a. Is that recording comprised of both audio and video?
    b. Are you relatively certain that your recording equipment is functioning properly for the purposes
    of making this recording?
    c. Is your body microphone and camera, if any, turned on and functioning properly to the best of
    your knowledge?
    3) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, what is the emergency and how can I help?
    4) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, what facts or information are you alleging gave you
    probable cause to stop and accost me?
    5) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you have a properly signed and issued warrant
    authorizing you to search me or my property?
    a. (IF YES) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you currently have that alleged
    warrant in your possession, if so I would like to see it please?
    6) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you have a properly signed and issued warrant of
    arrest that accurately describes or names me as the person to be arrested?
    a. (IF YES) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you currently have that alleged
    warrant in your possession, if so I would like to see it please?
    7) For the record, I am not “operating” in a “for hire” capacity by engaging in any form of “transportation”
    or other commercial use of the highways. Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, please
    acknowledge that you have been so informed.
    8) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, am I under custodial arrest?
    9) If I am not under custodial arrest then am I free to go?
    10) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, what is the articulable probable cause that leads you
    to believe that I have committed or am about to commit a crime that authorizes you to stop and
    detain or arrest me?
    11) For the record Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, in order to protect my rights and not
    waive any by error or accident, I wish to clarify my legal understanding of the situation:
    a. You said that I am not free to go, so I must conclude that I am in a custodial arrest and not simply
    an investigative detention.
    b. Therefore, I am invoking all of my fundamentally protected rights, including my right to remain
    silent and my right to assistance of counsel.
    c. From this point forward I do not consent to providing you with any information or documents that
    could or will be used against me in a court of law or to possibly incriminate me, so please do not
    ask me to produce anything and give it to you.
    d. From this point forward please do not ask me to answer any questions or to perform any form of
    test relating to any matter whatsoever without my attorney present.
    e. Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you intend to harm, injure, or punish me by
    any method of assault, arrest and/or incarceration because I have invoked these fundamentally
    protected rights?
    Understand this, when you refuse to produce the demanded documents or to answer any questions, the
    officer is going to begin to get upset and continuously state that “… the law REQUIRES that you produce a
    driver's license and other information on demand of a law enforcement officer.” They are also prone to
    falsely accusing you of obstructing or interfering with a public duty/officer or just outright threatening to
    commit acts of violence against you and/or your property. DON'T FALL FOR THIS, IT IS A SCARE
    TACTIC! Invoking and refusing to waive your fundamental rights is not and cannot be converted into a crime.
    And if they DO arrest and charge you falsely for interfering/obstructing then you get to sue the crap out of
    them. Just remember, when the officer(s) continue to demand that you produce a license, registration, proof
    of financial responsibility, or any other information or document(s), despite their threats, repeat the following
    ad nauseum:
    12) For the record Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, no law is valid if it requires me in any
    way to waive any fundamentally protected right in order to exercise any other right or alleged
    privilege. And no law can convert the free exercise of any right into a crime. I have repeatedly
    informed you that I choose not to waive any of my fundamentally protected rights.
    13) So, I ask you again Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, do you intend to harm, injure,
    steal my property, or otherwise punish me for invoking my fundamentally protected rights?


    a. Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, due to your attitude, demeanor, and your
    continuous threats to falsify charges and commit acts of violence against me and my property
    while displaying a deadly weapon, I feel physically threatened and in fear for my life. I demand
    that you cease and desist and request the immediate presence of a supervisor. I do not consent to
    any of your actions, the use of force against me or my property, or to being forced to exit my car
    for any purpose, especially so that you may attempt to steal my property and/or assault, injure or
    kill me.
    14) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, you are fully aware that I have already invoked my
    fundamentally protected right to remain silent and my right to assistance of counsel. Do you intend to
    continue in your unlawful efforts to violate my rights?
    a. It is my belief that the information you are demanding may possibly be used against me in a court
    of law or in an attempt to incriminate me.
    b. And if that is so, then, upon the advice of legal counsel I must respectfully decline to provide you
    with any information or evidence that possibly can or would be used against me for those
    15) Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, I am asking you again, do you intend to continue to
    deny me in my rights and to falsely imprison me or am I free to go?
    WARNING: Be certain to keep your face as far away from the window opening as possible while sitting
    normally. Never exhale or speak directly into the opening or toward the officer(s) face(s). Doing
    so will almost certainly result in the following scenario. Read the Do's and Don'ts to better
    understand why.
    If the officer makes any statement making a direct accusation against you or directed toward escalating the
    stop to the status of a DUI or drug bust situation, and they almost certainly will, you MUST be prepared to
    rebut it INSTANTLY. If any officer makes ANY statement resembling either of the following, BEWARE and
    immediately respond accordingly!!
    OFFICER: “Sir/Ma'am, I smell alcohol/marijuana and I am going to have to ask you to step out of the
    vehicle.”; or
    “Sir/Ma'am, are you aware that you ( allegedly did something ) and I am going to have to ask
    you to step out of the vehicle.” (Be sure that s/he IS lying in this case.)
    16) YOU: Officer _____________ Badge/ID # ________, your statement is patently false and
    an outright lie. Are you now trying to fabricate probable cause by making false statements into
    the record and false allegations against me?
    a. Even if they threaten to have a canine unit report to the scene or to break out your windows you
    must not waive your fundamentally protected rights out of fear. Tell the officer “I do not consent
    to being detained for any additional time or other purposes. Am I free to go or are you going to
    continue to illegally terrorize, threaten and falsely imprison me beyond the time needed to
    conclude this alleged “transportation stop?”
    b. Repeat steps 12 – 16a as required for each new or continued demand or threat imposed by the officer(s).
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  8. #8 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    """They will make reference to whatever the reason for the stop and say, Ok, well you have a good night and drive safely....Oh, by the way, you don't have any firearms or drugs, do you?

    Your response should be a chuckle, like he just told you a joke and say, Are you kidding me? No way.""""

    Holy shit, WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!! once they give you a ticket or say you are free to go u drive away! BY LAW You no longer have to answer anything or be engaging in ANY conversation with the officer. If he says have a nice night or hands u a ticket thats it, leave immediately! No matter what he says next, i dont have to respond , you are voluntarily prolonging the encounter otherwise, and u can no longer say you were intimidated by the officer or use illegal detention as a defence in court because he just allowed you to leave and YOU chose to stay!
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  9. #9 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    Also, a just a suggestion, have a trap door installed on the floor board under the matt, it wont hurt the value of the car and u can easily drop (whatever) onto the road before pulling over, ball it up in some trash, if the cop even notices it will just look like road debris u ran over. Also, if you are traveling. With contraband keep a cat in the car, if they do call out a K9 out they wont be able to use it, the dog cant empart to the officer "hey! I smell drugs in here" they will just think the dog is interested in the cat
  10. First time I got pulled over, 80 in a 55 with sunglasses on in July, he didnt even ask to search. He asked me what's up and I said I was trying to get out of his way since one another cop car passed me at like 90 from behind on the right and I saw this clown behind me. Got a ticket and moved on.
    Next time I was tailgating a cop because the person in front of him was going like 31 in a 40 and my friends house was literally 15 seconds away.. He came up to the car and I was instantly combative saying shit like well you're going almost 10 under why are you going so slow? He asked for my ID without answering me just saying me tailgating was unsettling, he then recognized my name from my mom and let me go lol. I was high and smoking in the car within 30 mins of both times getting pulled over. Just don't answer questions or look slow/stupid.. Hard to believe these drug bust stories cause you gotta do some dumb shit to get caught
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  11. here is how info like this works. it is a game of odds. i don't like the odds i get with the advice you are giving. naw mean B?
  12. where one guys info could get you in trouble, this guys info will get you beaten up and put in jail. here is what you do, turn on the recorder on your phone and follow the officers commands. then later, when you are trying to weasel your way out of trouble, bring up the recorder you have. the police "push" us to break the law. you are falling into the trap. you don't want to be this guy.
    here is the best piece of advice anyone will every give you, if you don't want to get busted, then don't break the fucking law.
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  13. #14 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    Sorry sir, ive been dealing with this sort of thing for years, you have no idea what your talking about. This script was carefully created and perfected over several years by former deputy sheriff's and due process experts, it's been used successfully countless times, no one i've encountered properly using this has ever been beaten up, and in the rare case someone was arrested(once if i recall), the alleged charges were dropped and the department was sued and lost.

    When being questioned by police, you are dealing with a professional liar, someone whos been doing this for years, imagine you have to compete in a Boxing match, youve never fought before, your opponent is a champion Olympic boxer, you are going to lose! Dont play there game, assert your inalienable rights.

    May i ask what cradentils you have to critique said document in the way you have?
  14. #15 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    Nothing in my post is illegal, nowhere is it advised to break any laws, now that i think of it, your encouraging people to incriminate themselves by complying then handing over that video evidence to the court to use aginst you! You sound like a cop. That is total BS
  15. you are filled to brimming with shit. there is no way you or anyone you know is a fucking expert. all you are doing is fucking people over with the drivel you posted here. its one thing if you drive yourself over a cliff and another thing entirely when you set others up for the kill.
    as for my credentials, it is called common fucking sense! :metal:
  16. #17 Secret Jardin, Oct 19, 2014
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    Riiiitttteeee, sounds like ignorant opinions from an unqualified layman who knows nothing about the law society and how works , thats a bunch of blatantly false garbage. I hope everyone here uses there common sense and looks into the FACTS and REALITY and is not swayed by delusional naysayng of crazy old coot, go have some more geritol pop
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  17. Good god...

    This is why my legal advice comes from my LAWYER, not stoners on the internet.

    Although y'all argue like a gaggle of em.
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  18. #19 letsmokeasweet, Oct 19, 2014
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    That is very convenient to say however that is so not true

    I was pulled over and the cop asked me if he can search the car I kindly told him no, he said he will anyways, found my shit, arrested me. I told my lawyer, he told me it didn't matter. I fired him. Got another, next one said court doesn't care, and I still got probation
    Coulda appealed and all that shit but the cost of it is not cheap
  19. lies, lies, lies yeah. they're going to get you!!!

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