How Light is Measured & Lighting Spectrum and Photosythesis

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  1. #1 jcj77d, Nov 1, 2009
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    How is Light Measured?
    The "color" of light sources comes from a complicated relationship derived from a number of different measurements, including correlated color temperature (CCT) or Kelvin temperature (K), color rendering index (CRI), and spectral distribution (PAR Watts). However, color is most accurately described by a combination of Kelvin temperature and CRI.

    • Color Rendering Index - CRI
      CRI is a numeric indication of a lamp's ability to render individual colors accurately. The CRI value comes from a comparison of the lamp's spectral distribution to the standard (e.g. a black body or the daytime sky) at the same color temperature. The higher the CRI the more natural and vibrant the colors will look. A bulb with a CRI of 85 or higher is excellent being that the sun has a CRI of 100. Eye Hortilux makes 90 -92 CRI bulbs that are used in aquarium, horticulture and other applications such as the 400W Eye Hortilux Blue 90CRI and 1000W Eye Hortilux Blue 92CRI. Standard Metal Halide bulbs have a CRI of about 70, so only 70% of colors will be rendered correctly. HPS bulbs have a CRI of 22.
    • What is the Color Temperature or "K" - Kelvin Rating?
      The K rating is a generalized form of addressing the color output of a Light Bulb. Color Temperature is not how hot the lamp is. Color temperature is the relative whiteness of a piece of tungsten steel heated to that temperature in degrees Kelvin. HPS has a warm (red) color temperature of around 2700K as compared to MH at 4200K, which has a cool (blue) color temperature. The higher the kelvin temperature gets, the bluer. 10k lamps seem to be a nice crisp white, while higher kelvin can go from a blue/white to very blue and lower kelvin seem more like that of sunlight (6500k). Metal Halide bulbs go up to 20,000K (commonly used in aquariums) providing the bluest light.
    • What is Spectral Energy Distribution & PAR Watts?
      The total visible spectrum is perceived by us humans as white light, but the "white light" is actually separated into a spectrum of colors from violet to blue, to green, yellow, orange and red made up of different wavelengths. Plants use the blue to red part of the spectrum as their energy source for photosynthesis. The different combinations and the relative intensity of various wavelengths of light determines the CRI of a light source.
      Only part of solar radiation is used by plants for photosynthesis. This active radiation Photo synthetically Active Radiation (PAR) contains the wavelengths between 400 and 700 nanometers and falls just within the visible spectrum (380 - 770nm). The light in this region is called PAR watts when measuring the total amount of energy emitted per second. PAR watts directly indicates how much light energy is available for plants to use in photosynthesis.
    • What is the Lumen Measurement?
      Lumen is a measurement of light output. It refers to the amount of light emitted by one candle that falls on one square foot of surface located at a distance of one foot from the candle. Traditionally, lumens have been the benchmark of a lamps ability to grow plants; meaning the brighter the lamp the better the plant. However, studies have shown that a broader color spectrum lamp will perform much better than a lamp with high lumen output, especially when it comes to plant growth.
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    Lighting Spectrum and Photosythesis

    The most common mistake people make with plants is to not understand photosynthesis and the visible spectrum of lighting that affects plant growth. Most people choose lighting solely based on the Kelvin temperature of a bulb. This tells you very little about what type of light within the spectrum is being emitted and at what strength. Visible light is on a scale in nanometers (radiated wavelength) from 400nm (violet) to 700nm (red). Simple matter of photosynthesis: plants can only utilize light that is absorbed. Bright light is essential yet only a portion of this white light is used for photosynthesis. The blue and red zones of the visible spectrum are the most beneficial to plants. Green plants appear green because it is reflected light. How "bright" a light appears has more to do with how much light is output in a given area visible to the human eye, with "brightness" being at a maximum in the green spectrum (middle of visible spectrum, or around 550nm).

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    Lighting for a growing plants should not be chosen on color temp alone. It is true that 'full spectrum' bulbs are referred to as bulbs between 5000 Kelvin (K) and 6500 K and are considered to be best for plants. Yet this does not indicate what wavelength in nanometers the bulb is actually emitting. If you want to optimize plant leaf development (blue light) and stem elongation and color (red light) you need light in both the blue and red spectra for photosynthesis. You need a mix of blue and red for your plants, and green for you (brightness as perceived by humans). If your lighting looks extremely bright and your plants seem ultra-green, it means that you have lighting that outputs strongly in the green spectrum. Do not equate this with good lighting for your plants, because plants don't use light in the green spectrum for photosynthesis. Sunlight peaks in the blue spectrum at 475 nanometers (nm). This is a shorter wavelength than red light and is used by both plants and algae. As light passes through water the intensity decreases. The shorter wavelength blue light penetrates water better and more quickly than red, which is slower and absorbed more quickly. Chlorophyll, the photosynthetic pigment used by plants traps blue and red light but is more efficient with red light at 650 – 675nm. Blue is used at the same rate as red because it is more available for reasons mentioned above.

    For green plants the lighting peaks that are most important:
    Chlorophyll-a: 430nm/662nm
    Chlorophyll-b: 453nm/642nm
    Carotenoids: 449nm/475nm
    Red pigmented plants use more light in the blue area of the spectrum.

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    Beyond choosing lighting that is optimal for photosynthesis, as above, you should choose lighting with the color temperature that best suits the plants needs. From a color temperature standpoint, blue-colored light will enhance blues in your plants. Green-colored light will make the plants look bright to humans and enhance the green color of your plants. Red-colored light will enhance the reds in your plants.

    Lux is lumens/square meter, so they are similar. They are both defined in terms that are meaningful to human perception of light – not plants. They stress the amount of energy in the green band to which humans are most sensitive – not plants.

    Artificial light sources are usually evaluated based on their lumen output. Lumen is a measure of flux, or how much light energy a light source emits (per unit time). The lumen measure does not include all the energy the source emits, but just the energy with wavelengths capable of affecting the human eye. Thus the lumen measure is defined in such a way as to be weighted by the (bright-adapted) human eye spectral sensitivity.

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    Lumen ratings are usually available, but when you use them you have to keep in mind what they mean. Lamp A can have a higher lumen rating than lamp B and appear brighter to you, while lamp B provides more useful light for plants. Compare the lumen ratings for cool white and GroLux bulbs of the same wattage and you will see what I mean. A 40-watt cool white bulb is rated at 3050 lumen; a 40-watt GroLux bulb (not the wide spectrum) is way lower at 1200 lumens. The big difference is because GroLux lamps provide very little green light and cool whites provide a lot of green light. I have found it best to provide a mix of lighting to your plants. The GroLux bulb is perhaps the best plant bulb available because it has very little green light. Yet if you add some other lighting such as a Philips 6500K the effect is more pleasing to the eye and still beneficial to the plants. I find that the GroLux along with a GroLux wide spectrum (89 Color Rendering Index) has a great effect for use as dawn/dusk lighting. (A Sylvania rep. told me it was best to use both together.)

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    Kelvin rating and lumens does not equate for plants. The Kelvin scale is more of how your plants will look to you/us and is totally subjective. It is true that the lower Kelvin ratings like 3000K will have more red light and a 10,000K will have more blue light. Lumens are meaningless for plants, as green plants do not utilize green light for photosynthesis. A higher lumen rating at the same wattage often means greener light. Lumen is a rating weighted entirely towards human perception. It has little to do with the value of a light for either growing or viewing plants.

    The Kelvin rating is an indication of color temperature. The higher the temperature, the more blue the light. Here's a rough scale:

    - Reddish/Yellowish Endpoint -
    Incandescent Light: 2700K
    Daylight: 5500K
    Blue Sky: 10,000K
    - Blue Endpoint –

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    Don't be fooled by color temperature as an indication of what wavelength of light may or may not be present. The emitted wavelengths of light for two bulbs with the same color temperature could be wildly different. Therefore, color temperature is not what you should use to determine useful light for growing plants. It will, however, give you an idea of how things in your grow will look. For example, the sky has a color temperature of 10,000K and looks blue. Lighting that has a higher color temperature, indicating that it is bluish, does point to the fact that blue wavelengths are dominant. This, in turn, just means that it will activate green plants in the blue range, which is a good thing. Red photosynthetic pigment is less efficient at utilizing light and requires stronger light as a result. The less efficient red carotenoid pigment must rely on blue and some green light as well as more intense lighting. There are some plants that that are able to change the pigment they use for photosynthesis depending on available lighting. We see this in red-leaved plants that turn green if the lighting is too low, not enough blue and/or green light. Alternatively, some green leafed plants produce red foliage when closer to the light source or with overly bright lighting.

    The Kelvin color designation of a particular bulb is not always true to the black body locus line on a CIE Chromaticity map. This is why some 5000K bulbs look yellow and others white, especially when trying to compare a linear fluorescent with a CF or MH. This is where Kelvin ratings of bulbs can fall prey to marketing schemes/hype.

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    The standard measure that quantifies the energy available for photosynthesis is "Photosynthetic Active Radiation" (aka "Photosynthetic Available Radiation") or PAR. It accounts with equal weight for all the output a light source emits in the wavelength range between 400 and 700 nm. PAR also differs from the lumen in the fact that it is not a direct measure of energy. It is expressed in "number of photons per second". The reason for expressing PAR in number of photons instead of energy units is that the photosynthesis reaction takes place when a photon is absorbed by the plant; no matter what the photon's wavelength is (provided it lies in the range between 400 and 700 nm). In other words if a given number of blue photons is absorbed by a plant, the amount of photosynthesis that takes place is exactly the same as when the same number of red photons is absorbed. This is why it is so important to get the spectral output of a bulb before deciding if is a 'good plant light'. You may need to add/mix bulbs to get a lighting that has good visual effects for the human eye and proper light for plants because 'plant bulbs' tend to be purplish. There is an additional term called "Photosynthetic Usable Radiation" or PUR which takes in to account blue and red light only.

    I don't understand why people insist on distinguishing between lamps on the basis of their color temperature. No lamp renders color correctly or looks natural unless its Color Rendering Index (CRI) rating is very high. When CRI is over 90 the color temperature shouldn't make much difference; colors rendered accurately will always look about the same regardless of the Kelvin rating. Many bulbs render red and orange colors poorly and give you a look with very flat color contrasts. Other bulbs produce a lot of green light and don't render either blue or red very well at all.

    CRI or Color Rendering Index is an indication of how close the light is to daylight (full spectrum) on a scale from 0 to 100 with respect to how it makes objects appear. In the case of the Philips PL-L 950, the CRI is 92, so it has pretty good color rendering properties. Two bulbs with the same Kelvin temperature but different CRI ratings can produce very different appearances. Compare a 5000K that has an 80-something CRI with a 5000K that has a 90-something CRI. The 80 CRI bulb is very bright, but it renders greens with a distinct yellow cast. The 90 CRI bulb is dim, but it renders rich colors across the whole spectrum.

    Whether or not a bulb looks "natural" to you is totally subjective. It depends in part on what you're used to. If you only see the world under cool white fluorescents then that is probably what looks natural to you. If you live somewhere with frequently hazy or overcast skies then you may be accustomed to "natural" light having a color temperature near 7000K. If you live somewhere with clear skies and infrequent cloudy days then your natural light might have a color temperature closer to 5000K. If you are used to north skylight then maybe a color temperature close to 10,000K seems more natural. In any case of actual natural light the light will render colors pretty well. That is usually not the case for fluorescent lamps with a high Kelvin temperature rating. If you want a high K lamp that does render colors accurately then you might try finding the Philips C75. It has a 7500K color temp and a 90+ CRI. It could be hard to find and a bit pricey.

    Plants will grow with ordinary bulbs as they tend to have both some blue and red emissions. The problem is that they also have wavelengths between 500 and 600nm, which algae likes. Green algae and green plants use the same pigments for photosynthesis (chlorophyll a/b & carotenoids). So, light that helps one helps the other. The algae that are different are the blue-green algae (cyanobacteria), which contain Phycocyanin and absorb light heavily in the low 600nm (orange-red), which is unfortunately present in most standard fluorescents. Strong blue light will cause plant growth to be more compact and bushy.

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    Bulbs sold as generic plant/aquarium bulbs usually have OK energy in blue and not much in red. A bulb sold as a generic "sunshine" bulb may or may not have some useful red, depending on the bulb. You can put any fluorescent lighting on your plants and do OK, but if you want to maximize plant growth, it's best to compare lighting options and, if possible, try to find the graphs/data for spectra output, rated life and output decay over time. Unfortunately, CF bulbs haven’t caught up with linear bulbs in the ability to offer light (tri-phosphor type) in the proper areas of the spectrum.

    Fluorescents lose efficiency over time. Some lose more than others - some bulbs may only suffer 10% drop in output, while others may drop 30% or more in the same time frame. The less the drop over time, the less you have to replace them, depending on your application. Linear fluorescent tubes should be changed out every six months and compact fluorescents every year.

    Fluorescent bulbs marketed for aquaria are often more expensive and not necessarily better than generic versions. They are also not necessarily marketed correctly. Many bulbs offer spectral output graphs. However, many of these graphs are measured in relative power on the Y-axis rather than a known reference like watts per nanometer per 1000 lumens. All that 'relative power' lets you know is that 100% is the highest peak at a given nanometer and all other peaks are relative to this. So, don't be fooled by nomenclature and packaging (marketing hype).

    If you get a CRI in the 80s, you're doing fine. This is only a measure of how much something looks (to humans) under the bulb light as it would under "normal" light.

    Any fluorescent will work, but triposhphor (aka sunlight, full-spectrum) bulbs seemt to work a bit better, covering more parts of the spectrum. Plants aren't allthat fussy about the spectrum except that regular fluorescents have strong output in the green part of the spectrum and plants reflect much ofhte green light back. Lumens are the visible (to humans) light so if two bulbs have the same lumen ratings and one looks brighter, the "extra" light might be only what humans see, not what plants like. Unless there is a big diff in the green part of the spectrum between bulbs, it doesn't matter than much to plants.


    Color temp gives only a rough idea of how things will look under the light, whether there will be a strong blue aspect to the white light (higher temps) or yellowish or reddish. Actually, they only give a ersatz measurement of the overall spectral output, not how the light will look. They don't tell one much about spectral output, just the overall value (the sum of the peaks and dips in the spectral output.) Diff spectra can have the same color temp and even appear to be a somewhat diff hue. A high narrow peak in the blue region will pull up the color temp rating without making the light seem much bluer. A slightly depressed but wide slump in the red region will raise the color temp but so will a a deep narrow slump in the red and green. So high color temp doesn't always mean bluer or low color temp mean redder. Note that the color temps are different shades of white, not say blue vs red bulbs. And note that plants don't seem to mind much about color temp ratings. Get what looks good to your eye-- otherwise don't worry about color temp.

    You probably won't find standardised PAR ratings on enough diff bulbs to be able to make comparisons. But PAR tells you how much light the bulb makes that some plants can use for photosynthesis -- so everything else being equal, higher PAR means more light for the plants. It's usually not hard to get enough light over plants, so PAR isn't terribly useful for making crditical determinations between which bulb to buy, especially since it is such a uncommmonly available rating.

    If you see bulbs you really like the look of, you can grow plants just find with those bulbs, even if they are cheap old shop lights. Triphosphor, full spectrrum/sunlight bulbs generally will have a more "sunlight" appearance -- although some made especially for aquaria can be kind of purplish due to big spikes in the red and blue parts of the spectrum. Personally, I think purple and pink bulbs belong on Christmas trees, but it's a matter of personal choice.

    Watts is a measure of the amount of energy the lamp consumes, assuming you use a particular standard ballast under standard conditions. What are the standards? They are pretty much whatever the manufacturer used to rate the bulb and somnetimes you can look them up, but usually not. So watts ratings don't tell you the actual light output of a bulb or even the actual watts that it will consume, but it will be reasonably close on the energy consumption.

    So when your out shopping for bulbs, try to find bulbs in the 6500-5000k (w/ 5500k the best) aka "FULL SPECTRUM" or "DAYLIGHT" bulbs for vegging, that have a high CRI, the higher the better. I would recommend looking at these bulbs: Duro-Test Corporation's Vita-Lite (c) and Vita-Lite Supreme (c). The original Vita-Lite hit the market in 1967 (!) as the world's first patented, natural-daylight-stimulating fluorescent tube. For over twenty five years (until the advent of their Vita-Lite Supreme) Duro's Vita-Lite was the closest simulation of natural daylight ever created by anyone, anywhere. (No, I'm not being paid for this plug) Specifications: 5500 K, 91 CRI, 2180 Lumens. For folks looking for more luminosity Duro-Test offers another lamp, the Vita-Lite Plus; the only specification difference being the generation of 2,750 lumens. The Vita-Lite Supreme offers 5500K, a CRI of 96 at 2000 lumens; it is the best match yet to natural outdoor light. These are great (the best available) lamps for the marine aquarist, aquatic gardener, herptile keeper, photographer wanting to skip filters, and human work place. They grow aquatic organisms better than any other light system, without specialized fixturing at the lowest cost. What is more, your fishes and photosynthetic organisms look and live better under these lamps. Yes, these products are that good. You can reach Duro to find your nearest dealer by dialing 1-800-289-3876. Also, in all fairness, I'd like to mention three other manufacturers of full-spectrum fluorescents. They are Philips with the Colortone 50, General Electric with their Chromaline 50 and Verilux with lamps of the same name. These companies also 'private label' full spectrum lamps for other labels. You will have to look for the CRI, Temperature in Kelvin, Luminosity in lumens, power curve, and average life ratings to make your own consumer judgments. As far as flowering bulbs go, 2700-2100k, you probably wont find a bulb w/ a CRI over 82 in CFL'S or Flouro's, & even lower in HPS at around CRI of 22.

    Other good lighting threads: All About Lighting & Getting the Most From your Lights


    Im gonna compile a list of bulbs that are great for growing, so keep your eye out for it below
    Natural sunshine is 100 CRI & 5300K at peak

    Vegging CFL Bulbs

    BlueMax Full Spectrum HD CFL Bulbs: 5500k, CRI 93+
    BlueMax Full Spectrum HD CFL Bulbs: 5900k, CRI 93+
    Indoor Sunshine Full Spectrum CFL Bulbs: 5300k, CRI 95
    Duro-Test Color Classer 75: 7500k, CRI 93
    Duro-Test Daylight 65: 6500k, CRI 92
    Duro-Test Vita-Lite: 5500k, CRI 91
    Duro-Test Vita-Lite Plus: 5500k, CRI 91 (higher lumens)
    Duro-Test Optima 50: 5000k, CRI 91
    Duro-Test Color-Matcher 50: 5000k, CRI 90
    NaturesSunlite: 5000k, CRI 85
    NaturesSunlite: 6500k, CRI 85
    NaturesSunlite Full Spectrum: 5500k, CRI 93

    Vegging Fluorescent Tubes

    Sylvania Gro-Lux GRO/AQ (these dont have specs, but are great for growing)
    Sylvania Gro-Lux Wide Spectrum: 3400k, CRI 89
    Verilux Tru-Bloom Full Spectrum: 6280k, CRI 94.5
    AgroSun Full Spectrum: 5850, CRI 93
    BlueMax Full Spectrum HD: 5900k, CRI 93+
    BlueMax Maxum: 5000k, CRI 91+
    BlueMax Prolume: 6500k, CRI 91
    BlueMax Spectra: 5500k, 5600k, 5900k, CRI 93
    Duro-Test Vita-Lite: 5500k, CRI 91
    NaturesSunlite: 5500k, CRI 93
    NaturesSunlite: 5500k, CRI 96

    Most Flowering CFL & Fluorescent bulbs are the same at 2700k, with CRI ranging around 80-85, though MaxLite & Sunblaster have the highest CRI of 84 & 85
     
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  2. Informative shit. What was your source?
     
  3. thanks, a couple of dif places.
    ill be asking questions on this later.
     
  4. #4 Fubar24-7, Nov 1, 2009
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    sticky this shit!
    and +rep
     
  5. Nice post, should get a sticky. +rep
     
  6. I have done extensive research when buying both my MH and HPS bulbs so they would allow my babies to flourish the most.

    That article needs some dissecting to fully understand it i agree.

    Great find,we need to find a bulb test for growing our plants with that articles intensity and have a list on hand for what your after and obviously your budget.;)
     
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  7. so correct me if im wrong or i dont understand this right, so say i have 2 bulbs, 1 is say 5000k but its CRI is 50, & then my other bulb (which says plant bulb) is 3050k but its CRI is 90, which bulb is better to use on my plants, b/c we all know that 5000k is closer to what our plants need in color vs 3050k, but according to this info, the bulb w/ the higher CRI is better for our plants regardless of the kelvins?:confused: ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS.
     
  8. Anyway my conclusion on this article is, look for a bulb that is as close to the correct kelvins for the stage of growth your in, & then look for that same bulb color that has the highest CRI, & that lumen output is the least of the concerns, but higher is better.
     

  9. After reading that whole article it is a bit confusing BUT,as you also read the Hordilux Blue's have great CRI,Lumen output and Kelvin is all very good.

    There is somthing to be said about grow specific bulbs,and a great gram per watt. Yield just supports that even more.
     
  10. how does the new 430w hortilux compare to a 400w hortilux bulb? is there a big difference in yield and/or growth?
     
  11. from what ive read a 430w bulb in a 400w system still only gets 400w of power, not 430w, but i could be wrong. the onkly dif, is the 430w has 3,500 more lumens than the 400w.

    The 430w Bulbs will run on S51 (400w HPS ballasts). The 400w Bulbs will also run on the S51 (they were made to). The 430w lights if you want the extra 5k lumens that the 430w bulbs are supposed to produce, you need a specias "son-agro" ballast that puts out the correct OCV (open circuit voltage). Otherwise running a 430w in an S51 ballast will give you about the same light as a 400w in an S51 ballast. If anything I believe that a 430w bulb in a S51 ballast would be dimmer than a 400w, since it was made to run on a higher OCV than a 400w bulb.

    However I believe HPS ballasts have like a 15% voltage sway tolerance, which means (400x0.15=60w) you can run upto a 460w bulb. Many of the 430w bulbs have a better spectrum than the normal 400w bulbs, but that is independent of the wattage.

    If you're familiar with the S51, M57 etc... numbers (not all of them, just that they have such a numbering scheme) there is ACTUALLY a "son-agro" ballast standard... like it goes

    S50 - 250w HPS
    S51 - 400w HPS
    Son-AGro -430w HPS
    S?? -600w HPS

    Like it's real wierd... Son Agro is technically a ballast standard for it's OCV and regulation etc... I bet you could run a 400w bulb in a 430w Ballast and "overclock" it, of course shortened life...

    the S51 (400w HPS) ballasts cost ~75$US new, the 430w Son-Agro ballasts if you can find them are alot more... I haven't found them for sale by themselves.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is:

    Don't buy a 430w bulb for a 400w Ballast. It won't run any better than a 400w bulb on a 400w ballast.

    Think of it as a stereo system, running amplifiers and huge ass woofers in your car... same idea. running 200watts on a 12" sub is going to sound worse than running 200watts through a 10" sub. You're going to underpower your 430w bulbs if you use a S51 (400w HPS) ballast.
     
  12. #12 whatuthinkin, Nov 2, 2009
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    awsome reply man. i actually know a lot about car stereo. running 1100 watt mono-block to a fosgate power hx2, 2000w max, at 1ohm. with a 1 ferad cap. and now that you put it that way ya i understand. makes sense. 400w it is. thanks again man.
     
  13. no prob, yea my ride is loaded too, 5 12's jl audio 12w3v3 w/ jl amps.
     
  14. so potgod.. do you think this would be a good setup??

    ive got (2) 4' 4-bulb t8 fixtures
    and (2) 4' 2-bulb t8 fixtures

    12 bulbs 32w each - 384w total... 4'long x 2.5'wide x 3.5' tall grow space

    (10) 6500k-82cri bulbs and (2) 2700k-82cri bulbs.... for veg
    (10) 2700k-82cri bulbs and (2) 6500k-82cri bulbs.... for flowering
    (lightbulbdepot.com #25882A and #26443A.. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU THINK THESE WILL WORK)

    im going with the LST/SOG route.. 2 maybe 3 plants from clones...

    any tips/changes/alterations would be more than aprechiated..

    were all just trying to get stoned.. and fuck paying for it.. i got these lights for FREE!! (but the bulbs are gonna run me about 100 bucks total)

    ive done my research and im pretty confident im gonna get a thumbs up from all but i just need peace of mind...

    and potgod TO HELL with anyone who gives people shit on here.. they obviously arent growing enough weed to keep themselves calmed the hell down.. so dont waste your buzz on them..
     
  15. those will work, it says any bulb that has a CRI of at least 80 is doing OK, & bulbs w/ a CRI of 90 or better is doing GREAT. if u dont have those bulbs yet, you can do much better, look at the bottom of the artilce for bulb list, if you do have them, dont stress out, b/c my T5 light, has 2 6500k-85cri bulbs, & 2 5500k-91cri bulbs for veg (use to be all 6500k-85cri), & when these burn out, it will be all 5900k-93+cri, & 3000k-85cri bulbs for flower (cant find 2700k T5 bulbs), & pretty much all 2700k bulbs are 82 CRI.

    lst/scrog/sog would be needed for your height restrictions, keep a fan on during lights on, & keep temps & rh in check as much as u can, & keep ph in check always, & u should have nice plants.
     
  16. Please link us to those 5900K. 93CRI T5"s.;)
     
  17. #20 hipster, Nov 5, 2009
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    I'd like to see some science behind what I consider to be "no name" bulbs before I drop down any money on them. Something like Phillips or GE where I can trust what I'm buying without paying a premium for what I consider to be could nothing more than BS "marketing on the box" from stuff outta China at this point, ya dig? Anyone? ;)

    Unless or until I see that I'll stick with under $24 400w MH and 600w bulbs as a replacement.
     
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