Well these passed few days have been hook up after hook up for me. I got a composter almost new and all it cost me was a 30 pack of bud light. I got a few other things too but here is the latest (and the reason for this post). Im getting my raised beds put together and have been giving soil alot of thought. I know how we all feel abuout making our own soil... but for a garden... thats alot of freakin money!!! I found that LOWES will give you a deal on bags that have been opened during shipping. Yesterday I got six 2 cuft. bags of Kellogs Garden soil for $3 each!!! Here's the kicker though. Last night I was online doing some reading and came across an article about Kellog's using bio sludge in their soil. Of course human waste is organic in nature but what about all the other $h!t that gets flushed along with it (drugs, meds, heavy metals etc). How do they manage to get the OMRI stamp on this stuff?! Alot of what we tend to consider "organic worthy" comes from seeing that stamp on the product...so my question is HOW LEGIT IS OMRI?
Regarding OMRI - Organic Materials Review Institute About OMRI | Organic Materials Review Institute From LD - OMRI is not an authorized certification agency under USDA NOP - they are simply a 'listing agency' and even their own mission statement outlines this and which also gives credit to Oregon Tilth (OT) and California Certified Organic Farmers (CCOF) for the protocols that they use. And Quote: Originally Posted by MGB A question for anyone whom may be able to answer it. My question is: Is there an acceptable product list through Oregon Tilth or NOP? I have been to both sites and was unable to find one. Through reading I have come to the assumption that they don't per say certify any products they actually certify the farm/crop. Am I correct in this assumption? Any help on this subject matter would be most appreciated. Thank you in advance. MGB Oh and BTW excellent thread! MGB That isn't how OT or NOP work, per se. They do not certify products (in general) and the original intent was that OMRI while not able to certify they could and would provide a 'list' for retail consumers. That turned out to be a total and complete disaster. OT does have a package of materials that you can request which outlines the procedures to have your fields and orchards certified organic. But I doubt that this is what you are looking for. There is no list that I'm aware of and probably shouldn't be. It works like this - you have barley seed to sell. Your farm is certified organic and you sell your barley as such. I buy your barley and Farmer Bob's certified organic Alfalfa and I use these 2 materials and I create a liquid fertilizer and I want it to be certified organic and because I started with organic base materials, I can have that certification in my hand in less than 24 hours. Once I have that I can now have 'Oregon Tilth Certified Organic' on the label. Or which ever certification agency I opted to use - if I were shipping products to Canada or elsewhere (export) then I would want to have Organic Trade Association (OTA) certification as well. Something like that - bottom line is there is no product list as such. LD Instead of me going thru each and every one of these take a look here - I simply looked up "OMRI" and "Lumperdawgz2", since he knew way more than I what those folks did and do - Grasscity.com Forums - Search Results Hth. J
Thanks Jerry. That explains exactly what I was wondering....especially the post on the acedemic diciplines of the staff there. Im not triny got down them but it explains the reason why they make sure that their mission statement has them a listing agency and nothing more. I guess it goes back to the fact that we can only be certain of the stuff we make ourselves.
This is a decent start. I guess about the best advice LD ever gave was 'learn to read a product label'. Never cared much what it said on the front, the ingredient breakdown tells the whole story. Wet