Holder Says Administration Will Announce Marijuana Policy Soon

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  1. Holder Says Administration Will Announce Marijuana Policy Soon


    U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the Justice Department will announce “relatively soon” its policy on recently passed state measures legalizing the use of marijuana.

    “There is a tension between federal law and these state laws,” Holder said in response to questions after a speech at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston. “I would expect the policy pronouncement that we're going to make will be done relatively soon.”

    Voters in Washington and Colorado on Nov. 6 approved ballot proposals legalizing possession of up to one ounce of marijuana.


    With the International pressure added to the ASA hearing looming on the horizon that could re-schedule marijuana the DOJ could direct the DEA to remove marijuana from schedule 1 and save themselves a costly battle that will have to be repeated when more states legalize,regardless of the DOJ's response to CO and WA.
     
  2. Lol imagine they came out and legalized weed nationwide?
     

  3. Well its pretty much impossible to just be like, "Hey, weeds legal now." But if that was, say, the announced plan I would literally cry.

    I cant even remember the last time I cried but I would probably ball my eyes out like a little baby!
     
  4. #4 claygooding, Dec 12, 2012
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    Removing it from schedule 1 will result in that happening,,because then the DEA/NIDA would no longer control the clinical testing allowed and the marijuana used to do the testing with.

    Can you imagine a clinical test with 20%thc cannabis instead of the 4>5% thc the government grows?
     
  5. Hmmm - Eric Holder.

    Involved in the Fast and the Furious scandal in regards to guns being given to cartel members.

    Cartel members who need weed to be illegal in the U.S.

    I see this not going so well. Holder is going to do whatever he can to block this. Let's hope I am wrong!
     
  6. ^^^I am probably being optimistic but with all the attacks on the US prohibition of hemp under fire from other nations,the pending ruling on the ASA hearing and the certainty that even if they could stop CO and WA,,other states will just start decriminalizing or tweaking their own legalization efforts,,I think it is game over,,save face and bypass a ruling in federal court possibly charging the DEA with arbitrary denial of the medical efficacy of cannabis,,,it is an easy out for them and the DOJ may already know the ASA hearing results,,
     

  7. I can't even remember the last time I cried, but I too would probably go to the basement kneel on the ground and cry at the event
     
  8. I'm so sick an tired of living like a FUKIN criminal......scared of the police getting behind me.........tired of hating cops.......all bcuz I prefer weed to alcohol......... I hope u right!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. A million times the above post. Couldn't agree more.
     
  10. I hate the cops and its not just what they do to weed smokers either.
     
  11. For some reason I just don't feel all that optimistic about seeing full on legalization in my life and im only 20 years old. It doesn't help that I live in the awesome (not), ultra conservative state that is South Dakota. A man can dream though I suppose...
     
  12. I'm going to guess that he is going to remain quite militant. Prosecutors are afraid of nullification trending so will not pick on the little people. That leaves the state bureaucrats and growers to go after.
     
  13. I don't expect their response for weeks if not months. It would be fantastic if this lead to full federal legalization, but I suspect the opposite. I suspect they would fight Washington and Colorado as much as they can afford to on this. But it will not work as public opinion has changed and now more than 50% of the populace favors legalization for recreational purposes.

    I just hope if they do fight back these 2 states stay strong on their stance and keep their initiatives intact.

    That's how alcohol prohibition was repealed, one state or a handful at a time. And that is how Cannabis prohibition will be repealed....one or a few states at a time.

    It's time to crush this thing for good fellow blades! Stay strong Washington and Colorado! You are leading the way for not only this country but the entire world. It is long past due to bring an end to Cannabis prohibition.
     

  14. Its coming soon, the other states will see Colorado and Washington prosper and gain tourism. Its always about the money and there is a lot to be made going green. This is looking to be a mirror of the last days of alcohol prohibition, and all gain more from taxing it as opposed to jailing offenders. You should be glad your only twenty, I've been waiting for this for over 45 years.
     
  15. I don't like when politicians use words like "expect" and "relatively soon", perhaps it can even be a sign of the Administration having no clue on how to respond to this?
     
  16. #16 Messiah Decoy, Dec 12, 2012
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    My dream scenario:

    Eric Holder- "We have decided.."

    *cameras flash*

    Eric Holder - "...to leave these states alone unless the state laws are abused"

    Press - "Mr. Holder! Mr Holder!!!!"

    Eric Holder - "I must go now, my planet needs me"

    *he flies away using a rocket pack*
     
  17. Hahaha man had me laughing right their.

    Wgg
     
  18. I'm hopeful DOJ will not fight this. However, Holder is a lying, manipulating, I hold the power type of dick. He is perfectly capable of saying they will back off the "legal" market, letting the systems become established, and then going in for the kill. He see's no reason to respect states rights.
     
  19. I think it's entirely possible the DOJ will go down kicking and screaming. With all of the bullshit they've been responsible for in the last 40+ years, I just don't see them going, "Oh, yeah maybe it can be legal. Silly us, we've had it all wrong. Massive jail sentences aren't the answer, a full-scale legal market is." :rolleyes:

    Bu I'll be damned if I'm not hoping for the best.
     
  20. #20 claygooding, Dec 12, 2012
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    December 12, 2012 [​IMG]

    The ICC and Colombia
    Massacres Under the Looking Glass
    by DANIEL KOVALIK

    The International Criminal Court (ICC) just published its Interim Report on Colombia (1). It is an interesting read, revealing as much about the ICC itself as it does about Colombia. In the Report, the ICC explains that Colombia has been under preliminary examination by the ICC since June 2004. This is quite curious given the ICC's conclusion in the report that the worst crimes of the Colombian military – the “false positive” killings in which the military killed around 3,000 innocent civilians and dressed them up to appear as guerillas – “occurred with greatest frequency between 2004 and 2008.”

    In other words, the military carried out its most notorious violations while under the ICC's Clouseau-like scrutiny. Perhaps the ICC was too busy trying Africans - apparently the sole target of ICC prosecutions – to have done anything to deter such crimes.

    In any case, the ICC's conclusions about the “false positives” scandal raise many questions about the Colombian military, and, more importantly, about its U.S. patron. Thus, the high water mark for the “false positives” (2004 to 2008) also corresponds with the time in which the U.S. was providing the highest level of military aid to Colombia. And, this appears to be more than a coincidence.

    The ICC describes the “false positives” phenomenon as follows:
    State actors, in particular members of the Colombian army, have also allegedly deliberately killed thousands of civilians to bolster success rates in the context of the internal armed conflict and to obtain monetary profit from the State's funds. Executed civilians were reported as guerillas killed in combat after alterations of the crime scene. . . . The available information indicates that these killings were carried out by members of the armed forces, at times operating jointly with paramilitaries and civilians, as a part of an attack directed against civilians in different parts of Colombia. Killings were in some cases preceded by arbitrary detentions, torture and other forms of ill-treatment.
    The ICC concluded that these killings were systemic, approved by the highest ranks of the Colombian military, and that they therefore constituted “state policy.”

    The killings – which the ICC characterized as both “murder” and “forced disappearances” - were not random, but rather, as the ICC concluded, were directed at “particular categories of civilians,” including “marginalized” individuals from remote areas, such as unemployed persons, indigents and drug addicts; political, social and community activists; indigenous persons, minors, peasants and persons with disabilities. Moreover, the regions most affected by these killings, in descending order were Antioquia, Meta, Hila and Norte de Santander. As the ICC noted, the “false positive” victims many times ended up in mass graves.

    The ICC, relying upon the findings of the UN Special Rapporteur, found a peculiar fact – that the “false positives,” though occurring with varying frequency back to the 1980's, began to peak when the threat of the guerillas themselves were actually decreasing in the early 2000's. As the ICC, quoting the UN Special Rapporteur, explains:
    ‘As security in Colombia began to improve from 2002, and as guerillas retreated from populated areas, some military units found it more difficult to engage in combat. In such areas, some units were motivated to falsify combat kills. In other areas, the guerillas were perceived by soldiers to be particularly dangerous and soldiers were reluctant to engage them in combat. It was ‘easier' to murder civilians. In still other areas, there are links between the military and drug traffickers and other organized criminal groups. Local military units do not want to engage in combat with the illegal groups which they are cooperating, so killing civilians falsely alleged to be part of these groups make military units appear to be taking action.'

    One thinking about U.S. policy toward Colombia should be greatly concerned by these details. First of all, it is apparent that during the period that the U.S. was providing Colombia with the greatest amount of military assistance under Plan Colombia (from 2000 to 2009), the Colombian military was engaged in its worst crimes and quite unnecessarily so, at least if the stated goal of eradicating drugs was indeed the real goal. Thus, the Colombian military was knowingly killing civilians in lieu of killing guerillas while also taking a hands-off policy towards drug traffickers and other organized criminal groups because the military was actually working with these groups.

    As the ICC explained, an example of the organized criminal groups which the Colombian military has been closely working with are the right-wing paramilitaries which, as the ICC explained, “assisted the Colombian military in their fight against the FARC and ELN guerillas” by attacking, not the guerillas themselves, but the civilian population – for example, through “mass killings of civilians; selective assassination of social leaders, trade unionists, human rights defenders, judicial officers, and journalists; acts of torture,
    harassment, and intimidation; and actions aimed at forcing the displacement of entire communities.” And, in terms of the displacement, the ICC concluded that this took place in “resource-rich regions of Colombia.”

    One does not have to ponder the “false positive” scandal or the military-paramilitary assault on civilians to conclude the obvious – that the war of the Colombian state, backed by the U.S., is targeted at least as much, if not more, against the civilian population, as it is against guerillas and drug traffickers. Certainly, it appears to be the case that the Colombian military, in engaging in its “false positives” campaign, did so in order to justify continued aid from the U.S. by showing the U.S. results in the form of claimed dead combatants.

    However, I believe that this “body count mentality” explanation is not the complete explanation, for it can't in my view explain the need for the military to have tortured the “false positive” victims first as the ICC found they did in many instances. I would posit that at least one major reason for such a policy is to terrorize the civilian population into submission and to retreat from their land – especially “resource-rich” land as the ICC concluded. This policy is working, at least as judged from the results, with Colombia now being the country with the largest internally displaced population in the world at over 5 million.

    And, in addition to the oil, coal, gold and other important minerals being extracted in Colombia by multi-national concerns, a critical resource which is now growing exponentially in Colombia is African palm, the oil from which is used for biodiesel. As we learn from Gary Leech in his wonderful article, “The Oil Palm Industry: A Blight on Afro-Colombia” (2), palm oil production in Colombia grew by 70% between 2001 and 2006 – that is, in the initial years of Plan Colombia and at roughly the same time the military was targeting civilians for assassination with greatest frequency. In addition, the just-passed

    Colombia Free Trade Agreement is encouraging the growth of palm oil as well. (3) Moreover, 3 of the 4 departments most affected by the “false positive” scandal (Antioquia, Meta, and Norte de Santander) are palm growing regions, Meta and Norte de Santander being two of the major regions for this crop. (4)

    Olivia Gilmore, in an article entitled, “Fueling Conflict in Colombia: Land Rights and the political ecology of oil palm” (5), explains the grim reality that
    Poor indigenous and Afro-Colombian communities have been disproportionately affected by this phenomenon, as they often are less likely to have formal land titles or access to legal avenues through which to address their grievances. Individuals and communities are forced off of their land by large, multinational palm oil corporations, paramilitaries, or often a collaborative effort of the two. Armed incursions, murders, and massacres related to palm oil interests have become the norm in all of the major palm oil complexes throughout the country. The central Colombian government, with support from the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), actively promotes palm oil expansion as a crop substitution for coca, to meet the demands of a growing and lucrative bio-fuel market, and to promote economic development at both the local and national levels. As such, palm cultivation in Colombia has increased dramatically in recent years, making it the fastest growing agricultural sector in Colombia and the fifth-largest producer in the world.

    Since the rise of palm oil production in the early 2000's, nearly all areas of expansion of palm plantations have coincided geographically with paramilitary areas of expansion and presence. Much like coca's role in funding guerillas and paramilitaries, the costs involved in the production process of palm oil make growers an easy target for armed groups. There have been numerous allegations of palm oil companies meeting with paramilitaries in order to arrange the violent displacement and illegal appropriation of people's lands. Earlier this year, the office of Colombia's Prosecutor General charged 19 palm oil businesses of allying with paramilitaries after investigations linked the economies of palm oil and funding to such groups. While some farmers have been able to escape from the violence and coercion of guerilla groups by switching to crops other than coca, the link between palm oil and the funding of violent conflict still exists.
    So strong is this correlation that a study conducted by the Universidad de los Andes argues that a legal product such as palm oil has an equal capacity to finance armed groups as similarly lucrative illegal products.

    In the end, the civilian population of Colombia, particularly in the countryside, is viewed as the enemy by both the Colombian state and the U.S. which continues to back that state. While the violence takes different forms, and is fueled by various material incentives, the result is the same over these many years – the destruction of the peasantry, including the Afro-Colombian and Indigenous populations, which are inconveniently living on land designated for multi-national exploitation and expropriation. Colombia, with one of the worst distributions of wealth and land in the world, with its multiple free trade agreements, and with its over-bloated military aid from the U.S., is a quintessential example of unrestrained capitalism and neo-colonialism.
    In my recent interview with Kambale Musavuli about the Congo, he stated that there is no “C” in R2P (“responsibility to protect”), meaning that this doctrine does not apply to the Congo. It equally means that it does not apply to Colombia, or other like countries, whose designated role is to the serve the U.S. and its insatiable need for fuel and other key resources. And, this is why the horrendous atrocities committed in countries like Colombia and the Congo rarely make the headlines in our newspapers, and why the ICC's interim report on Colombia was barely spoken of in the press.

    As Noam Chomsky has often commented, the foregoing is a function of the maxim of Thucydides that “the strong do as they wish while the weak suffer as they must.” And, this maxim also explains why the ICC, which has yet to prosecute anyone in Colombia for these high crimes, will certainly never prosecute the top intellectual authors of these crimes residing in the United States (6). Indeed, in the ICC's 93-page report, the United States which has funded these crimes for years is not mentioned even once.

    Daniel Kovalik is Senior Associate General Counsel of the USW and teaches international human rights at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law.
    Notes.

    (1) The full report can be found at http://www2.icc-cpi.int/NR/rdonlyres/3D3055BD-16E2-4C83-BA85- 35BCFD2A7922/285102/OTPCOLOMBIAPublicInterimReportNovember2012.pdf
    (2) https://nacla.org/files/A04204032_1.pdf
    (3) http://www.citizenstrade.org/ctc/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/FoE_Colombia_talking_points_2011.pdf
    (4) http://portal.fedepalma.org//oil_col.htm
    (5) Peace and Conflict Monitor, Fueling Conflict in Colombia: Land rights and the political ecology of oil palm

    (6) Of course, you might say, no official of the U.S. can be prosecuted by the ICC because the U.S. has refused to ratify the ICC treaty. While this may appear to be true, this did not stop the ICC from prosecuting officials from The Sudan – also not a signatory to the ICC.

    These are the people in charge of enforcing our drug laws,,,let's see how this plays out. First guns are sold to the cartels,,the DEA launders drug funds and now they are linked with funding genocide,not stopping drugs but killing for hire.
     

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