You need leadership. You need to have a spokesperson as well as some sort of regional council for coordinating events. You need to have a set of bureaucratic goals you're looking to achieve. We need to identify the issues, then identify the cause, then provide a solution. An example would be; "poor and minority communities are disproportionately locked up for drug related offenses," : 'legalize marijuana, and make drug possession a non jailable citation with only a fine to pay. Use the money made from the drug fines and lack of incarceration expenses to put habitual offenders through rehab ect.' There you have identified a problem, and have also created a possible solution to be explored. All issues needing remedied need to be pointed out, and then a logical solution needs to be constructed on how to mitigate each issue so that the oppositional forces can't use the excuse of being ignorant to the issues, how to solve them, or act confused as if they don't understand. If these issues and solutions are front and center, and easily comprehended, and said in unison with other regional BLM supporters, the cause will gain power and change will become more likely. Reach out to leaders and openly take consultation from legal experts ect. I keep seeing random protestors with megaphones seeming to be leading small marches in different areas, but I notice the message is never quite the same and often there's a lack of expressing what is actually wanted done. Having some sort of leadership putting forth a clear message would mitigate this. Have the spokesperson call in nightly to news outlets with updates and commentary. If the movement becomes more organized it will gain strength. We can't be rejoicing over someone's death. Think how MLK would treat this. If the funds keep rolling then lobbyists can be bought to influence the change. Defend yourself but if they throw hate respond with love like this guy... Don't let these psycho's get under your skin. Sorry, no memes. Start filming the far right groups that are causing fires and destruction ect. Stop contributing. Give the movement a chance. EDIT: The original title of this thread was "BLM Protestors READ THIS." It was an attempt to open a running dialogue with protestors, but as time went on it became apparent that no true BLM protestors were participating in the comments. Because of this the name was changed to more accurately reflect the contents and theme of the thread.
This movement, Black Lives Matter, started out, I believe 7 or 8 years ago, with the goal of stopping unjustified killings, by police, of black people. As they have not accomplished this goal, would taking on more causes, such as marijuana legalization, or the disproportionate number of blacks locked up, when they couldn't even make a dent in the first one, really be a good idea, at this point?
My problem with BLM is the double standard that they use. For instance, they will say stuff about "Whiteness", calling people the racial slur "Karen" and advocating violence against others who don't agree with their viewpoints of socialist ideals. These are the exact things (except the socialism) that "BLM" supposedly is against. Imagine someone in the mainstream media critiquing Lebron James for his "blackness" or called him "Tyrone". They would be fired immediately. But someone who says the same things about white people, they would be lauded as a progressive and no repercussions would happen. Any group that goes around burning minority owned businesses down, murders minorities and kills children is not a group that should even be spoken in the same sentence as protesters. They are terrorists. Flat out.
I think you're right, and I'm not saying what to include or what not to include although I think they are related, I'm just giving an example ontop of saying that the message needs to be clear and solutions ect need to be what's pushed imo. These police forces and cities are enduring the storm, but perhaps if they were given some sort of spokesperson or representative to negotiate policy with and create change from, maybe the protests would subside? It's clear they are upset, so what do they want and is it within reason and if so give it to them? Imo the talking heads are the ones defining the movement and there doesnt seem to be a unified push for a certain policy ect. On the tv we just see clips of random ppl shouting various social justice items but there isn't really a figure head to negotiate with or to define the movement. The civil rights had MLK, one clear voice with a clear message. This movement is hamstrung by lack of leadership and organization imo. They are allowing the talking heads and other media a blank canvas to portray it anyway they wish. Hire some experts and begin constructing legislation and image mgmt ect.
Forget about a spokesperson like MLK, that will never happen. It seems to me, what I'm seeing in NYC, is the Blacks do not even participate in the BLM marches, it's mostly white people. White, and even Asian, ultra-liberal or armchair radical kids in their teens and early twenties seem to comprise the majority of this organization, and they understand absolutely nothing, about the lives and issues of Black Americans or for that matter, anybody other than what little they've seen and done. BLM is destined to fail, because they have no idea of how to stop police violence. The first, most obvious, step is to educate the public not to resist arrest or disobey the police, when stopped. The second thing, is to get rid of police unions, of which I have already written much about, in other threads. These two pieces of advice, are a very practical solution, but nobody out there wants to hear it, so this cycle of bad cops killing people, in many cases people of color, will continue indefinitely, until their enablers, the cop unions, are gone.
Ya you can't fight fascism with fascism. Everyone deserves the right to free speech, you just don't have to agree. Hate speech is different, but otherwise the left needs to be more open to dissenting opinion. Cancel culture has done the left zero help. Its not just the left though, this applies to the right too. I support BLM, but they sure are making it easy to have an excuse to oppose it imo. I'm being objective and calling out some lib stuff here, but imo the right is mostly to blame for this. If you have a president that shows compassion and a bit of empathy you don't get these riots ect. From what I've seen, the GOP is typically behind the oppressive policies but dems have dabbled as well. 45 solidifies his base when attacking libs so the more he can antagonize and get them to act out the more he can sight reasons to dehumanize the opposition which only solidifies his support.
Some good points. While I'm normally pro-union, I'd have to agree, these police unions are a real issue. If your job is to root out crime but you can't even get rid of the bad cops in your own department, then I'd say its time to start focusing on reform. I would like to see reform on traffic stops and how they are treated and dealt with too. Cameras that send speeders and traffic violators tickets in the mail or something instead of via vehicle stops that are ultimately used to probe for more infractions and drum up more tax revenue. A guy with a gun just isn't needed to manage everyday traffic violations imo. Same with tail lights or missing headlights. Cop just calls the plate number in and they are mailed a warning ect. I'd agree that complying with every order of an officer would be beneficial lol but I also think that reducing interaction with armed people for minor infractions would reduce tragedy as well. Its mostly the poor who are subject to these stops as they have the crappier vehicles, and minorities make up a disproportionate amount of low income citizens, so this would be an example of systematic oppression. Doesn't mean the cop that writes the ticket is racist but the system would still be observed to impact minorities disproportionately.
You can't "reform" the small number of psycho police officers who are abusive and end up killing, this, can't be done. They have to be fired, but it can't happen due to the unions. They'll be kept on the force, until they kill somebody, unjustly. The cops will not break the Blue Wall of Silence, and report each other. The contracts that make them untouchable, are created with the approval of politicians from both parties, who receive monetary and endorsement support from the cop unions. Do you see the bind we're in? The unions all stand together. The average working person can be fired for looking at the boss crooked, yet a bad cop can't be fired until he commits manslaughter or murder. This is what the cop unions, and those who stand with them, are indirectly responsible for.
Oh ya I'm definitely stepping in what you're dropping. I don't disagree. Idk how much they've raised but like I said earlier, I think employing some lobbyists would be a good expenditure.
Do not believe me, look into it yourself. Here's a darling of the liberals, who is on the take from the cop unions, and this story is not the only example of this sort of thing - it's an epidemic, and the Democrats are just as bad, if not worse, than the Republicans. Klobuchar didn't prosecute controversial police killings or brutality cases as a county attorney | APM Reports
Not good. If you remember back in the 90s it was Bill who kept pushing for "100 thousand more cops" ect. Both parties have had their parts to play, I agree.
Shumer, Pelosi, and other top Democrats cry crocodile tears while doing the knee thing, on camera, but they won't change a thing. They want the support of the unions, and that means playing ball with them, even when there are clear cases of union complicity in police crimes, across the nation.
Does anyone still believe BLM is anything but a far left propaganda campaign other than out of touch athletes and liberal arts majors?
How fucking dumb is it when your branded a racist for saying all lives matter i think were all missing the big elephant in the room turn off the tunnel vision for 5 mins and turn your headlights on and look at what is really going on.
I don't think it's craziness. I think it has been politicized, but like stated earlier this predicament was a team effort by both parties. I think the energy for the extremism is directed in the wrong places, but I think there is an issue. The destruction is undermining their ability to be taken seriously but it's also being partly executed by far right extreme groups in an exact effort to undermine the mvmt. This is why I'm saying that they need guidance and leadership. Its good to be passionate but you have to be intelligent, or at least provide some specific points to negotiate on ect or you'll just look like you're throwing a tantrum (imo) despite any legitimacy to your truth. I'm honestly surprised that the talking heads haven't been covering the lack of centralization leadership or negotiating rep. After a few bowls it makes my mind wander to think about more sinister reasons why lol, but imo there's 2 ways it could go, if creating a unified voice and electing a leader is an idea that grows, annnnnnd if it then also still seems that the mvmt is a decentralized tantrum, thennnnnn I'd be inclined to look more into those sinister musings, but if it created a unified and clear voice then great too. Either way, I can't lose lol. I reveal a tricky strategy or I help advance change.
Pulled this off of Peter Framptons twitter and thought it kinda showed a little of the difference. Ya racist gets thrown around pretty loose nowadays, if people were just given the chance to see what's going on without being shamed ect then I bet you'd have people more willing to listen. Not pointing fingers, I've been part of that group at times. Deleted meme
You mean starting “peaceful protests” that turn into massive rioting, murder and burning isnt doing it? Having a “BLM Organizer” speak on national tv saying its perfectly fine for blacks to Loot because these businesses have insurance and that its “Reparations” isnt working? Telling the average white American how racist they are isn’t working? It is too late already. BLM is doomed and I for one am glad. No one wants what they are dishing out. j
Bwahaha I knew you couldnt resist, I knew you'd grace this thread with your presence lolol, Ill just say that I disagree with the "pick and choose" interpretation for the most part. I hope, and I just honestly think they it's not too late, or anything like that. EDIT: @jerry111165 These extremists are just making themselves look bad, the issues still remain and will persist regardless of extremists imo. Imo its a matter of time. That's how it always goes it seems. There's always opposition at first as well as lingering opposition, but eventually what was thought of as "sooooo progressive" is the norm. So imo it might happen now or later, but eventually the progressive agenda will become popular opinion. Slavery, women's suffrage, black suffrage, alcohol, the new deal, homosexuality, marijuana, anti religion, global peace, blah blah blah...
This aging rocker turned top-40 crooner is espousing more liberal BS that has no bearing whatsoever on "Black Lives". I'd rather read hear or read the words of Malcolm X, spoken before his colleagues killed him for going against racial separatism. Now that man knew a thing or two. “The white liberals, who have been posing as our friends, have failed us. The white liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the black man.” “White liberals are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the black man as our ‘friend’ to get our sympathy, our allegiance and our minds. The white liberal attempts to use us politically against white conservatives, so that anything the black man does is never for his own good, never for his advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal.” “I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make us think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white liberal. The only way that our problems will be solved is when the black man wakes up, cleans himself up, stands on his own two feet, stops begging the white liberal and takes immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white liberal to do for us.” “The media’s the most powerful entity on Earth. They have the power to make the innocent look guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the mind of the masses.” “The Democrats are playing you for a political chump and if you vote for them, not only are you a chump, you are a traitor to your race.” The person who spoke these words was Malcolm-X. He was assassinated two days after expressing the last quote. Bold mine