Hi, I would like to tell you about Jesus, the only way to God

Discussion in 'Religion, Beliefs and Spirituality' started by JacquelineDeane55, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. I was raised as a Christian. I know faith can change ppl for the better; i've seen it myself, but what u said about certain folks being able to go into heaven and there only being one religion, I know that's written in the Bible and as a Christian that's basically the one thing u will ever need. But I can't believe that. Imagine this. A man that's done the most awful things in life for 40 years repents by praying to Jesus, and another man that has tried (and mostly succeeded) to be a decent man for 40 years doesn't cause he doesn't believe. I'm not on board with that kind of logic, no matter how I've been raised, I won't ever understand how owing allegiance to someone can make up for a lifetime of trying to be a good person.
     
  2. Or even the good man that no matter how hard he tries, ends up having to work 7 days a week to make ends meet for his family. When I was younger it was work all week and me and my coworkers would do side jobs each weekend.

    So because of this even though we are good folks that play by the rules, by working on Sundays we’re breaking a Commandment and are screwed as far as getting into heaven goes - according to the Bible.

    It certainly doesn’t make it easy on the folks that try.

    J
     
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  3. It would make you wonder if Jesus/God were Socialists/Communists wouldn't it? Big union men who advocated for workers right to a day of rest/prayer. :)
     
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  4. Well thank you for coming clean. I really wasn't expecting that. Kudo's.

    If you don't want to believe there is only one way to eternal life, then your argument is with God, not with me.
    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    There is more, but these are pretty cut and dry statements and their context reinforces meaning. You were born in a sinful nature. Like an inherited disease. You choose to reject the cure. As if you were drowning in a pool and you reject your one and only rescuer saying there must be some other way. That's the story of the Bible. What you do with it is up to you.

    About killing gay people.
    I cannot provide you with a one liner that excludes context, research, history, etc.
    I could sit here all day going over notes, pondering and typing. I don't really feel like it so I'm taking the lazy way out and cut&paste something I found already spelled out on the net. While it is not complete, I find nothing I disagree with. I would like to add a bit of history going in, though. Archaeological finds have demonstrated that pagan worship took place all over Mesopotamia. Homosexuality was practiced in worship rituals, along with many others, like child sacrifice, self mutilation, drug induced trances, etc. To a Hebrew, these would have been gifts from God, perverted for pagan worship rituals. Hence "detesible" - "abomination".
    With this tidbit of info in mind, continue on to my cut&pasted article.
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    After the June 2016 terrorist attack by an Islamic extremist against a gay night club in Orlando, Florida, some have claimed that Christians are just as guilty as the terrorist because, after all, the Bible pronounces the death penalty against homosexuals. It is true that in Leviticus 20:13 the Bible says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” So, does the Bible require us today to put homosexuals to death?

    It is crucial to understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purpose was completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

    Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today.

    Another consideration is that the Old Testament Law did not allow for vigilantism. One of the reasons for the cities of refuge was to protect those accused of murder until they could receive a fair trial. The Mosaic Law said that only civil government was allowed to implement capital punishment, and that only after a fair trial with at least two witnesses (Deuteronomy 17:6). So, even during the time the Old Testament Law was in effect, the mass murder of homosexuals by a vigilante was not what the Law prescribed.

    So, the Bible no longer requires the death penalty for homosexuality. But the question still arises as to why the death penalty was required in the Old Testament Law in the first place. The answer is this: all sin is an affront to a holy God. God hates all sin. And while God only required a civilly administered death penalty for some sins, all sins are ultimately worthy of death (Romans 6:23) and eternal separation from God. The Bible describes homosexuality as an abomination, an immoral perversion of God’s created order. The purity of God’s people in the Promised Land was vitally important, as was the continuance of bloodlines (one of which would lead to the Messiah). That is why God demanded the death penalty for those who engaged in homosexual intercourse.

    Homosexuality is still immoral and unnatural. But we are no longer under the ancient Jewish system of governance. In terms of obtaining forgiveness from God through faith in Jesus Christ, homosexuality is no greater sin than any other. Through Christ, any sin can be forgiven. Salvation is available to everyone by faith (John 3:16). And when that salvation is received, the indwelling Holy Spirit will provide the means to overcome sin through a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17).
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    As you read through the text of the verses you've singled out for questions, you will realize that capital punishment is ordained by God. The concept comes from the desk of the Creator. If for some reason you are against capital punishment, and a lot of people are, then once again your argument is with God, not me. Perhaps you will have the chance to accuse Him of injustice when you see Him?
    On the other hand, if you don't like my answer, then by all means, continue to tell me how mad I am, while accusing me of evading your questions.
     
  5. @Ronhip I think you are misreading things regarding the law.

    Fulfilled doesn't mean ended, it means to carry out, actualize etc.

    Romans 10:4 doesn't seem to suggest what you say it does, what I take from it is that Jesus is the ultimate expression of the law.

    Ephesians 2:15 is pretty clear it is not talking about Gods law but mans law, hence 'ordinances'.

    By 'ordinances' in your link references col 2:14 and col 2:20 which makes it apparent to me Jesus was an anarchist.

     
  6. Based on actual moral standards or some outdated book? Homosexuality harms nobody, to call it immoral based on nothing more than a book written thousands of years ago is ridiculous.
     
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  7. Not really sure where the “coming clean” comes from - we simply hadn’t gotten that far.

    So would this include the Commandments of the Old Testament? A man working on a Sunday to feed his family comes to mind. I would hate to see this as ok for some things but not others.

    I said you were mad - because you WERE mad.

    I do respect your right to worship as you please - of course. My issue is with a book that says that billions of humans will spend an eternity of torment and misery - with so many of them being totally innocent. It’s not just a matter of not being able to enter this “heaven” - it’s the complete opposite, of being condemned to an eternity of hell.

    J
     
  8. I'm a Christian but I haven't been able to go to church in years for a few reasons. First of all feminism has infected even American Christian churches and also this constant worship of Israel and the "chosen ones" makes me want to vomit.
     
  9. Sorry - but what do you mean by

    1. “feminism has infected even American churches”
    2. “Worship of Israel & the chosen ones”?

    J
     
  10. U give feminism way 2 much credit. Reality of life doesn't permit unrealistic ideals of any movement.
    I don't know about constant worship of Israel and the "chosen ones" but I do feel they're already in control of most of their country and all they need to do is play fair and give rights to the people that have lived there for generations. As far as I know they're not being persecuted anymore, they have one of the strongest military in the region, they have possession over everything they need and yet they can't find a way to resolve conflicts peacefully. I guess their so called Holy Kingdom is only valid when they've murdered every Philestine in existence.
     
  11. If God really does exist, you know that motherfucker is getting high
     
  12. "you are everything and everything is you"

    All we see and touch including your own body is the body of God, the universe is the body of God... there is only One Mind and we are cells in that Mind albeit like a spec on a nat's ass... lol
     
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  13. pantheist view ornamented with some technological mumbo jumbo

    how can you claim to know everything when you dont even know what everything has in it? what is everything? do you know besides the observable universe? what percent of the universe do you know and do you have a slight clue about what is beyond the universe? if you do, please explain what everything consists of including everything you know and you do not know.
    I am not everything. I am me. these words are my words. Typed into my PC by me, using my energy and finger tips.
    When you think you are everything and everything is you, its a good sign you are either delusional or too high
     
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  14. We're all our own God/Jesus. We've control of our actions and our destiny and need to accept this rather than trying to imagine it's all in someone elses (God's) hands.
     

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