I cant seem to find any information on this subject, so im hoping some veterans can answer this for me. Ok , So , Say that you have a Strain, lets call it strain A . An isolated grower gets Strain A , and grows that crop. That grower grows an entire female crop, harvests , and leaves some branches on a select few of the best plants to seed up , thus having another seed crop to grow from for the next crop. This grower does this for 10 years or more , each cycle selecting the top plants that are desirable to them (taste , yield, etc) and there conditions (heat , humidity) to seed up for the next seed crop. The resulting plants after years of doing this , they are still Strain A ? , would the plants be considered an heirloom strain at this point? Im not sure if im asking this question right, or if its alltogether stupid, SO any insight would be great , thanks !
Russy I'll defer to lessismore but it's my understanding that doing what you'e described for 3+ cycles/years you would have an IBL (Inbred Line) That's my understanding anyway. HTH LD
Russy I can't speak on how it applies to cannabis, per se. In the vegetable seed world, a heirloom seed/strain is one that has never been hybridized. It's genetic base is intact over many decades and even centuries in some cases. Let's say that you're growing an heirloom tomato and let's further assume that you're only growing this one variety. When you harvest the fruit/vegetable and you take the seeds from the harvest and use them for next year you'll end up with the very same strain. If you had more than one variety of tomato (pretty standard) then some of the seeds would be F1 because this variety was crossed with that variety. I hope that makes sense. LD
ibl is an inbread line, and a hierloom strain would just be a strain that a great uncle passed on to his son, and he passed it on to me making it a hierloom strain, its bassically an old strain that has been passed down and imo is rare
Hmmm, Its a new subject to me , so im still learning. Well let me ask this. I have recently gotten some clones from an old school grower . They were referred to as Heirloom strains. but im almost positive that they were done from seed crop as i stated above. basically what im wondering is if i should be excited about having them? Or could they end up being crap? Should I try to get seeds online, or a clone from a friend that got seeds online, or should i consider myself lucky i got them (clones). would they be Heirloom IBL's? Or do you think they are land races ?
well if you dont know what you got it could be anything, so imo its like bagseed, ya never know what your gonna get. found this online What are heirloom seeds? In: Farm Crops, Gardening [Edit categories] Farm manager seeds from varieties which are no longer protected by patent laws or owned by a specific company, similar to open pollinated varieties
Hmm, thats kinda disheartening. He said they were really good and cloned from female they were also healthy rooted clones ... I have been blown away by there growth since i got them... I guess there's only one way to find out if they are any good, thanks for the quick replies !
i also found this heirloom definition heir·loom (er′lo̵̅o̅m′) noun 1. a piece of personal property that goes to an heir along with an estate 2. any treasured possession handed down from generation to generation
Personally, if an older grower says they are heirloom strains, then I very much doubt they are crap. I do not see where a group of growers, and/or family of growers would keep handing down, or passing down a strain which was crap. I now there are heirloom strains floating around the Emerald Triangle which only those directly related, and/or connected to the grower(s) has access to. Some of these strains were probably handed down over several generations. I'm sure the same goes for other regions and areas as well. I watched a show several yrs ago about the moonshiners in the Appalachian Mountain ranges which switched to growing after prohibition was lifted. If you think about this, there are probably some very fine heirloom genetics passed down from generation to generation. Prohibition came to an end in the early 30's, which could very well mean there are literally 5th and 6th generation growers down there passing their best strains down from one generation to the next. Personally, I think you are a very lucky person to have acquired these. Land race varieties are strains which are inbred lines native to a specific country and/or region; land race IBL. An Inbred Line, IBL, is a strain which has been stabilized and inbred for several generations to a point it grows true w/ very little inconsistencies and/or variations.
Perfectly said Less, thanks for sharing buddy Since we're on the subject, here is an "heirloom" strain from Barneys Farm, how legit, who knows but Barneys Farm has some pretty legit stuff... Link
THANKS Lessismore ! Thats about exactly what i was wanting to hear !! Awesome, I am now stoked again..
less is right always...im from Hawaii and i know alot of families that has three to four generations of ibl heirloom strains...they are priceless imo...I have been lucky to acquire some of these strains that even they dont have anymore..made crosses off of them and also keeping them pure during the years..cherish them in the future because their worth more than alot of strains you know today imo...Rippa
I would love some good IBL lines of Hawaiian in my collection. The last 2 Hawaiian strains I worked with were: Hawiian Blue Oahu, and Hawaiian Puna Gold; the mothers were lost when I was busted in 87. I still have seeds form the crosses I used them on though thanks to an old friend: my Sativa #3, and my Indica. I feel we should be most appreciative of these rare, and more heirloom type strains. It really makes you wonder with all the generations of growers in various regions of the country how many of these unknown strains exist b/c these circles of growers keep them to themselves.
i smoked some hawaiian , it was just called hawaiian, and i must say it was some of the bst stuff i ever smoked
well in hawaii their are alot of good strains out there..just aquiring them is the problem..lucky for me i have alot of friends that gave me some when i was alot younger...heirloom strains are priceless now days...i remember when i was jus a boy and the hash strains around here were world class stony..but through time it got lost..cherish any heirloom strains u have...they might be the last of a legacy...Rippa
This has turned into a great thread ! Im glad i asked my question. Im actually really happy to have gotten them now. I had to work the "in" for several months, and many weeks of playing the pity card , since i had crap for strains, mostly bagseed. I know he just doesn't hand out clones of his strain willy nilly, so im going to consider myself very lucky at the moment.
hey less..that hawaiian puna gold are one of the best strains that came out of hawaii from what i know..never heard of the blue oahu...maybe one day we will hook up..Rippa