Are you using an amendment to say something is written in stone? Do you know what an amendment is? How can one be so confused. Ugh. Yeah good luck when dems come to take your guns instead of working on sensible regulations.
Kind of funny to hear the amendment process being brought up by a gun control advocate. That's exactly the way it should be handled according to the Constitution. Most people who propose gun control measures usually just say "fuck the Constitution that thing is old news". Get the 2nd Amendment amended first, then talk about "sensible regulations".
Well, To me it is written in stone. Good luck changing it. I know you will keep trying so , good luck.
There is at least one pretty good solution that would stop 50% of all mass shootings in 10 years. Ban all guns and impose an instant death penalty on anyone caught in possession of one. But I don't think anyone wants that. So there are solutions. Yes people die, old age is how id like to go. Ive found the World (and ive seen a bit of it) to be nice and fair. Life is truly an awesome experience.
so what do you suggest? Having police go in and take people's guns away? Sounds like a lot of bloodshed to me
Murder laws only help out the murderer. I mean it’s not like passing laws will stop criminals from murdering people so why even have murder laws to begin with. Before you freak out I’m making a joke to point out this classic libertarian argument falls apart if taken to its logical extreme. Of course people are going to break laws but that shouldn’t mean we should cease to have them. You have to find the right balance between how easy it is enforce a law, how meaningful that law is, and how much good that law can potentially do. Take for example drugs it’s an extremely hard thing to enforce. You’re never going to stop people from doing them and in most cases drug usage doesn’t lead to any victimization. This is why there is a compelling argument for legalizing drugs. Now take it to the other extreme murder. Clearly we’re not going to legalize murder just because people are going to do anything. We as a society have agreed that while it’s tough to enforce its worth doing so since murder is such a bad crime. We recognize that even though we can’t stop all murder adding an element of enforcement will hopefully reduce this. Similarly one could make the argument that if we were to enforce stricter gun control laws it’s certainly wouldn’t stop a lot of criminal from getting guns but it would stop a certain amount. The same way we recognize we can’t stop all murder but that our laws may discourage a certain amount of it. I personally am not a big proponent of gun control but I think many of the arguments in. both side in the debate including the one posed by this meme are simplistic and don’t hold much weight
1. To arm friends/family if the need to arises 2. Things break 3. Different rifles perform differently..You can get the same rifle with free floating barrels or a longer barrel, different threading, different calibers, etc. 4. They hold their value very well compared to most things people buy..I've been offered nearly twice what I paid for one of mine actually. 5. It's our right. There's 5 for you.
The reality is gun laws are pretty strict as is. You can't buy most firing pins, you can't buy automatics with out a very strict license, you can't own AP (armour penetrating) rounds, you can't own a fire arm under the age if 18, you can't conceal carry without a license which you have to be 21 to own and complete a fire arm safety course. You have to have any weapon purchased online sent to an FFL where they do a background check first, you can't carrt weapons in certain locations. You can't brandish a weapon without an actual reason. You can't kill a man in most states without clear signs your life is in danger even if he's in your home. All self defense cases are reviewd and looked over.
I’m not speaking about gun laws because I’m not as familiar with them. I don’t know enough to disagree with you on the details so I’ll have to take you at your word. I was merely rebuking the tired old why make guns illegal if people are just going to get them anyway argument. Of course no law is going to stop all crime but that doesn’t mean it won’t stop a certain marginal amount of crime. The question is is the amount of crime that would be stopped by stricter gun laws worth the potential downsides. But everyone including both the left and right want to boil it down tosimplistic arguments like stiggy was doing. Once again I don’t have a strong stance on gun laws but I find a lot of the arguments from both the left and right to be extremely fallacious.
I think folks like Stiggy who have seen much more of both sides than we have or will ever see, will have more simplistic responses to tired arguments. Clarity comes with age and experience
Not at all. I'm not anti gun. I just think that you guys need to do something. We already did something here and it worked for us, Shooters are happy, publics happy and the results speak for themselves. I would of thought having a federal law instead of a mish mash of state laws a good start. A federal gun register and federal licensing (this would also make it easier to travel with weapons for hunting and sports shooting). Mandatory gun safes for gun owners (thats a no brainer really as that helps secure your arms from theft and also children and is something most responsible owners would already have). This would also help with some employment as someone would have to be employed to check and sign off on the safe and the installation and random spot checks to see that the guns are being stored there and not behind the bedroom door. Any one found guilty of a violent crime should not be able to have access to firearms, this should also apply to the mentally ill. Any new person wishing to obtain a licence should have to do a licencing course, this weeds out the people who are not serious about weapons and if they have no fkn clue about fire arm safety it will teach them.. I would imagine everyone here would agree that firearm safety can be lacking in new owners. Current license holders just have their licence transferred over from state to federal at no cost and no course = no drama. Hefty, like really hefty penalties for anyone caught with a gun without a licence or anyone with a unregistered gun. This would take some time to pay dividends but the criminals will learn fairly fast that its just not worth carrying or selling guns - They did here but it took a few years. We actually had a spike in gun crimes the first year or two after the new laws came into being but then dropped sharply and have been low ever since. A buy back scheme for people with guns who no longer want them. This took hundreds of thousands of guns off our streets. It would probably take millions off yours and is a win/win. Then after the buy back just have it so people can turn in guns they don't want- registered or not under an amnesty. (they still trickle in here) I think that's a good fairy sensible start that doesn't put to much pressure on legal gun owners or threaten to remove their weapons. Will it stop all gun crime? No of cause not but traffic laws don't stop all accidents either.