ok, well i just bought a new amp. i currently have a fender 410 59 bassman, but i wasn't diggin it, so i just got an Orange tiny terror today along with 2 1x12 egnater tweaker cabs (8 ohm each). I hooked the speakers up in series, not parallel... basically, the head has 2 8 ohm speaker outputs, and 1 16 ohm speaker output. from what i understand, you want your speaker output to be either half or double the speaker load - so i ran a cable from the 8ohm speaker output to the 8 ohm speaker input of 1 cab, and another cable from the speaker output of that cab to the input of the other cab. everything sounded fine and dandy, but i'm wondering if i'm getting the full power out of this head. is it hooked up right? could i also run a cable from the 8ohm output on the head to 1 cab, and do it again with the other cab instead of the cabs in series? and what if i run at 16 ohms? is that even possible? i'm basically trying to get it louder if possible [edit] i might end up getting a 4x12 cabinet, but i'd rather not, just because the things looks killer right now, with 2 1x12's stacked on eachother and the head on top - this tiny little head will look silly on a 4x12! lol - but i need to find a way to get more volume - i was (barely) competing in the mix with this thing at full volume, it needs just a tiny push - which a 4x12 will give
I might be misreading you but Speaker A - 8ohm Speaker B - 8ohm Speaker A + Speaker B in SERIES = 16ohm Speaker A + Speaker B in PARALLEL = 4ohm The lower your impedance, the higher your potential output Edit... Just a side note if you do decide to go 4x12, going under 4ohms might make your amp a-splode Second edit... Just to show you where I'm getting those numbers from When wiring speakers in series, you add the ohms together. You have 2 speakers @ 8 a piece. 8+8=16. When wiring speakers rated @ the same ohms in parallel - take the ohms of 1 speaker and divide by the amount of speakers. ie you have 2speakers @ 8ohms - 8/2=4
right, i understand the whole 16 ohms in series, 4 in parallel... what i'm trying to figure out is... if i'm running a cable out of the 8ohm output into 1 cab, then another cable from the output of that cab into the second cab, thats in series, right? or no? basically, thats how i have it set up now, and what i'm trying to figure out is if i run it parallel, will it be louder? also, is running it parallel running a speaker from each 8ohm output on the head, each cable into a separate cab? or is running them parallel running a cable out of the 8 ohm cab into the cabinet (in the setup described before) except putting it into the right jack on the speaker instead of left (i'm unsure on this part, but something to do with positive and negative wiring?) - sorry if that was confusing, my knowledge on this is decent, but not too good (basically, i can get it setup correctly so that it won't blow, but i don't exactly comprehend whats going on internally). edit - this is the back of my head (well, this is the dual terror - same back end, except get rid of the tube switch and channel selector) i couldnt find a picture of the back of the cabs, but its self explanatory - they are (on they're own) 8 ohms each - theres two cable jacks on each also, if i were to get a 412 instead, it'd be this: Egnater Tourmaster Series 412A or 412B 280W 4x12 Guitar Speaker Cabinet and more Guitar Amplifiers at GuitarCenter.com. i'm pretty sure it'd work
Double check the manual or something because it might vary from brand to brand, but I would assume a situation like this would be parallel. What's going on internally would be this (and if you can figure out which scenario it is you'll be on your way) A) Positive goes to Speaker A. Speaker A's Negative goes to Speaker B's Positive Speaker B's negative goes to unit ^^^ That would be series B) 1 Positive to Speaker A 1 Positive to Speaker B 1 Negative from Speaker A 1 Negative from Speaker B ^^^ That would be parallel Now I could be misreading you, but it seems to me like you're sending individual loads to each speaker separately...ie Speaker A could blow but Speaker B would still be good to go. Edit - another thing to consider is the cable from the amp to the cab. it seems like you're saying theres a 1/4" on the cab (so you're not hooking + and - to the speaker). Just as a PSA because this cable is receiving a load from the amp it shouldn't be just a regular 1/4" instrument cable. it needs to be speaker cable.
right now, i'm not sending individual loads, because i wasn't sure if i could - and yes, each cab has 2 1/4 jacks. i'm using 1/4 speaker cables. thats why i'm not really sure, tbh, if i'm running parallel or series (i think its series right now??). will running it parallel or sending individual loads increase the volume? because thats my main concern, i need an extra push in volume. i wish i had the amp in front of me right now to take pics, etc, its at a friends. i can take pictures tomorrow or wednesday and post them, but as of now... you see those 2 8 ohm outputs on the head? i had a cable running from that, into the left speaker jack on the top cab. theres a right speaker jack, in which i have another cable running out of that, and into the left jack of the cab beneath it. that is my current setup.
Oh okay so you're saying it goes AMP ->SPEAKER A -> Speaker B not AMP -> Speaker A & B like I was originally presuming. Running speakers parallel WILL increase output. (Lowering the speakers resistance allows for higher output)
okay, so one last question and i think i'll have my answer. i'm looking for higher output then - the way i have it wired currently, which is exactly how you put it (amp to speaker a, speaker a to speaker b)... is that series or parallel? The guy i work with said to run it this way, because, and i quote "the head will be handling a 16ohm load." because of that, i wanna say its running in series... how would i get it parallel? if i do in fact have it wired in series, hopefully lowering the resistance will give me enough of a volume boost, because i really want to keep the setup as is, its got KILLER tone... but its JUST barely too soft... 15 class A tube watts is really the threshold, and i don't want to have to put the volume and gain nearly all the way up just to compete ...and thanks for all the help man
I would have to agree with your coworker. All signs point to you having these two 8ohm speakers wired in series, so yes it would be a 16ohm load. If I'm not mistaken, can't you run each speaker off its on separate 8ohm line from the amp? If you can that would be parallel. Lowering your ohms will create a volume boost. How much is dependent on your amp and speakers. What type of louder are you going for - Louder with clean headroom loud or louder as in push the speakers as far as they can fucking go loud? (Just out of curiosity)
louder w/ headroom - right now, to compete in the mix, i need to put the volume and gain all the way up - which actually sounds killer, but i need to stand far away to avoid feedback, and have to use the guitar volume to control getting cleans (which i normally do anyways)... thought i wouldnt mind pushing the speakers either - so if i run a cable out of each 8 ohm output, one into each cab, ill be running parallel? i'll try that out tomorrow- if i get even the slightest volume boost i should be all set
Here's a suggestion, have you tried cutting your bass and raising your high end? A lot of times what sounds gorgeous and full in the living room sounds muddy and lost in the band mix. It seems odd that a 2x12" on full volume gets lost. How big's the amp? And yeah that's the theory, I hope it works out for you.
its 15watts classA tube - compared to the 40 watts i used to be using that my band is used to - my guitarist is using a 30 watt tube amp, but its really our drummer who just plays way to fuckin loud. i've tried most tonal settings, and yea its actually kind of cutting/high end. i haven't had enough time to fool around with it, i literally bought it, and went to band practice, so i'll get to fool around with it more in the next few days. hopefully i'll be able to pull it off without having to get a 4x12 cab, because it'll just look silly. right now it looks pretty badass. anyways, thanks for all the help, i'm off to bed - hopefully i'll be able to run it parallel and get some more volume
actually, just realized i have to run the cabs in series, so that its running at 16 ohms, i just read this on their website: What outputs do I use when I'm using an extension cabinet? When using two speaker cabinets with Orange heads, both cabinets must have an impedance of 16 ohms. Plug each cabinet into an 8 ohm output. Do not mix cabinets of different impedances - harm may come to your amplifier as a result. i'm not sure if there's another way to run the cabs than as i have them now - i have to run them in series so its like having one amp @ 16 ohms (i should still use the 8 ohm jack, correct? not the 16?) [edit] nevermind, found a pic online of the back of the cab - in between the 2 jacks it says 16 ohms, so i should be able to run them parallel, each one into its own jack on the head... sweet i could have sworn the cabinets said 8 ohms on them, but the pictures don't lie. at least i hope not - i don't wanna blow my amp up
[quote name='NFloyd2357']actually, just realized i have to run the cabs in series, so that its running at 16 ohms, i just read this on their website: What outputs do I use when I'm using an extension cabinet? When using two speaker cabinets with Orange heads, both cabinets must have an impedance of 16 ohms. Plug each cabinet into an 8 ohm output. Do not mix cabinets of different impedances - harm may come to your amplifier as a result. i'm not sure if there's another way to run the cabs than as i have them now - i have to run them in series so its like having one amp @ 16 ohms (i should still use the 8 ohm jack, correct? not the 16?) [edit] nevermind, found a pic online of the back of the cab - in between the 2 jacks it says 16 ohms, so i should be able to run them parallel, each one into its own jack on the head... sweet i could have sworn the cabinets said 8 ohms on them, but the pictures don't lie. at least i hope not - i don't wanna blow my amp up[/QUOTE] Just to make sure, why not find out what type of speakers are loaded in it & then go check out its specs? That way there's no maybe, might-be kind of deal.
i just had my friend, whos house its at, check - its 16 ohms - the speakers are celestion elite 80s http://www.guitarcenter.com/Egnater-Rebel-112X-1x12-Guitar-Extension-Cabinet-105005532-i1423806.gc