If you believe in an afterlife it's pretty much a given you're not a subscriber to the theory of evolution. It's like asking Christians "When did God give humans the ability to evolve?"
What do you mean evolve the ability? Everything goes to the afterlife, not just Humans. If a consciousness leaves a body then it is freed from that body and can exist in a more real state. It sheds it's physical form leaving only the astral body and the spirit itself, I think. Everything that is physical, from the atom to the Human, has mind and spirit just as it has body. When the mind leaves the body for whatever reason, naturally it exists in a dimension higher than that of the physical body. The physical body is like an anchor for the spirit to the physical world; it's a means of participating in the physical world, that's all. We and everything currently exists on all three planes (physical, mental, and spiritual) at all times. It's only when we lose our body, which produces the illusion that this is all that there really is, that we realize we are much more than physical. That's what I think anyway.
Only from an ignorant perspective, I believe there is an afterlife, and that is the last step to evolution. I believe God created all the animals on earth including humans through evolution. Well anyways, the creation of the first homo sapien sapien, a combination of all the monkeys, God gave Adam the spirit of an Angel. And what comes from heaven, goes back to heaven.
You do realize you're one of the exceptions right, which is why I said "pretty much". But that's cool if that's what you believe in.
It's not really a conclusion I guess. My beliefs are capable of being changed and they do change a lot, these ideas make the most sense to me at this time. I've yet to here a different view of what may happen when you die that makes more sense to me. There's no reason to think I'm right, but there's no reason to think I'm wrong. And being a Human that thinks, I do happen to think about death and life and try to understand what may be true about the nature of our existence. It's a lot more fun than just telling myself that I don't know for sure about any of it and forcing myself to remain inside the little box of what I have learned is true through objective reasoning. Which is what I used to do, and although it's a very concrete world to live in, it's very restricting. It's like being the perfect follower; although what you believe is truthful, your ideas and thoughts consist of what is accepted as correct and nothing more. And when those accepted truths change, you change with them without ever even allowing yourself to have potentially been the one to think outside of the box and realize a new truth even if you don't have the ability to prove it to anyone but yourself. I've also had certain experiences that, while I can't prove they weren't just imaginary experiences, have reinforced my beliefs. It's like, if you ask a shaman in the amazon why he believes that his hallucinations are significant, he certainly won't be able to provide you with physical reasoning... But he's felt the reason, he's seen it and heard it and tasted it. He knows it's there even if no one believes him. But on the other hand, I at least am willing to believe that I could be completely wrong lol. But at the moment I don't believe that I am. EDIT: Post 420! lol
An ignorant perspective? I'd like to know how you came to this belief about God, a hierarchy system of evolution, and that there was an Adam and a spirit named Angel. Just curious...
Are you sure about that? On a more serious note, I want to know exactly how you came to those conclusions.
Unless I misunderstand the definition of conclusion, then yes, I'm sure. It's not a conclusion because it's not the end result, it's capable of being changed. The ideas I mentioned come largely from Hermeticism if that's what you're asking. I'm not a Hermeticist, but I do subscribe to much of what its philosophies have to say. I wouldn't have said what I said if I didn't honestly believe it's true, but I also believe there's no life on Mars. I really believe that. Why? Because it makes sense based on what I do know about life and Mars. Could I be wrong, for sure, but I have my beliefs. They're just beliefs. If you believe I'm wrong, that's your belief. If you choose to not even consider that I may be right, that's your choice, but I certainly may be right. If my ideas don't make sense to you, then I'm sorry, but they're just my beliefs anyway. I have no intention of proving anything to you. It's food for thought. I could be right and if you understood the hermetic philosophies better, I think you would understand how it's at least a possibility. The seven hermetic principles can be shown to exist on the physical plane. I can't prove that they also exist on the mental or spiritual plane, or that those planes even exist, but it helps that I can show you how they work on the physical plane doesn't it? It's not a whole bunch of made up stories, it makes sense. What else can I say? What I believe does take faith I suppose, but when you've felt and seen the things I have, it's hard to dismiss it just because you weren't able to take a picture of it or bring a piece of it back with you lol. Honestly, I feel like it would be more of a leap of faith for me to go ahead and believe that there is no afterlife. I can't bring myself to honestly believe that, I just can't, not after what I've seen. Maybe had I never decided to trip balls and just stuck to weed I would be less sure of what I believe, but ever since I did trip, I'm more sure of it than ever before. That said I'm not sure of the Hermetic philosophies, but I am quite sure that there is totally something more than what we see and know about reality.
it makes sense that once your born and conscious of existence(the universe), that you cannot become unconscious to existence. your conscious is telepathic, you still have a telepathic existence, after physical death. but you cant really prove it while alive. peoples near death experience stories are the closest you'll come to knowing about an afterlife while alive.
Ah, sorry. Well, I believed because I started to choose to, I was an Atheist, and I had a zeal against religion just like a lot of people, but then I began to think about life, and the philosophy of it. I can't recall exactly what I was thinking at the time(i was high most of the time). I just thought about life, and how it came to be, and why things are the way they are. And I guess I found personal proof of God, and started believing. Then I started having dreams, a lot of them which came true. I stopped smoking weed, I began to read the bible, and watched the Shepherds Chapel. I combined what I read with some of my dreams, and the knowledge just revealed itself. A while after that, I found out I was adopted, and Satan tried to be born through me, but failed. And he left some memories through the spiritual energy he had given me. So I saw history through the eyes of Satan. I can't remember most of it, just key points. Like how Satan was in his angelic body on earth. And he could walk everywhere accept near Adam and Eve, flies would surround and follow him, that's why his nickname is Beelzebub, king of the flies. And he was bored. Life began to develop through evolution, soon species came around, the animals we know today. At the time, it was one continent(the flood pushed them away from each other), and different regions of the land had different animals. They found each other and mated. All the animals mated together until they made monkeys. Then all the monkeys mated together, until finally there was the homo-sapien-sapien. God gave this one a spirit(spirits are put in flesh bodies to make intellectual men, spirits were formally angels in heaven.) God raised this one Himself, and eventually, God made woman from One of Adams ribs, and God healed Adam afterward. They dwelt together in the garden of Eden, and were told not to partake of the tree of knowledge of good and bad. They knew what it meant, it means the tree of knowledge of good and bad is each individual soul, Adam, Eve, Satan were all trees of knowledge, and to partake of it, is to have sex. Eve was curious about Satan, who was watching from the outside, and went to him. He tempted her to have sex, and she became pregnant with Cain. Eve went to Adam and had sex with him, and she became pregnant with Abel. And then history begins all over again. The end.
The human species always had an afterlife. After a human reproduces and dies than the offspring is the afterlife. You ain't going to no afterlife, your going in the dirt motherfucker, and your gunna like it! But thats just my opinion based on logic.
I think spirituality is something that is hard to explain with human concepts and language because it is so unknown to us and in my personal opinion something that our senses can't perceive or prove to be true using facts and evidence. Not everything can be seen or touched, heard, etc.... that doesn't mean it's not real.... It's just a feeling, a sensation, really if you think about it either we came from nothing and exist by pure chance, or there is deeper meaning and a reason for human life. They both seem to make equal sense to me logically. I have just had experiences, trips, contemplations, out of body experiences, etc.. that all lead me to believe personally in the afterlife and the soul, that does not bring me any closer to saying one is true over the other though. I think it will be the same for every person, spirituality is something that is hard to explain, language is no substitute for a feeling or intuition that something exists...and even then you can't really come to any conclusion on these things. It's always the argument of science vs. intuition/belief/experience which never gets anyone anywhere really... I will say this...Doesn't it seem like it would be pointless if life was a spiritual journey if we could prove as humans everything about spirituality and the afterlife? That would end in no spirit progression at all, no one would take life seriously or learn anything from it, we would all not care because we would know that we are just spirits put in these bodies for a short time, I'm sure many would just kill themselves because I'm sure earth is hell compared to pure spiritual existence...If it is a spiritual journey I don't think we are meant to, at least at this point, be able to empirically prove the spiritual side of things. And to answer your question as a spiritual person I would say that humans are not the only thing with a soul, I would say at the very least every living thing has a spiritual existence of some sort. I think it's interesting how a question such as this has basically turned into a debate between spirituality/religion vs. atheism and the reasons for each, as all threads like this seem to be by the end of it.... Just goes to show how strongly each side feels about their viewpoints...
heaven as most think of it is not really true i think , its a state of mind reachable over time by spiritual development , like the buddhist/Hindu concept of Nirvana there are two schools of thought , we evolved from lower life forms [evolution] , or we have always been humans [creationism] if the former is true then it would have to be assumed that animals also have souls and through time and effort they will reach where we are now same as we have to work to get to the next level above us. or if the latter is true then we simply need to reach the point where we can be released from the cicle of rebirth and that will be heaven its somthing we dont really have right now but it is within our grasp , we need only to reach