Good Organic Source of Potash?

Discussion in 'Growing Organic Marijuana' started by LionInTheJungle, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. Im looking for good source of potassium that I can make Tea with or top dress for flowering period? I was going to use sulfate of potash but read that its not fully organic.:smoke:
  2. LionInTheJungle

    Sulfate of Potash (aka Potassium Sulfate or Arcanite) is a mined mineral compound. It provides both Sulphur (in the form of Sulphur Oxide) as well as Potassiuim (in its elemental form).

    Minded minerals cannot be, by definition, organic or conventional. What they can be, and are, is listed as 'approved for organic food production' which Sulfate of Potash is.

    This compound when found with Magnesium is sold as Sulfate of Potash Magnesia (aka Langbeinite and more commonly K-MAG or Sul-Po-Mag). Here too, the raw form is 'approved for organic food production' but there are also forms of this mineral that in the processing, high levels of Chloride are introduced and this form then would not be 'approved for organic food production'


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  3. So Sulfate of potash wont harm any of the beneficial Fungai and Microbes?
    Is there any other fully organic materials i can source Potash from?
  4. LionInTheJungle

    Not at all - kelp meal is 4x the price of either sulfate of potash (sulfur & potassium) or sulfate of potash magnesia (sulfur, potassium & magnesium).

    This is what organic farmers use but it's only applied about every 3 or 4 years depending on the crops being grown. Fruit, vegetables and flowers use higher levels of potassium than other plants.

    Check with a local organic farmer's group and find out what they're using. The potassium BIM/FPE from Gil Carandang is organic (or can be) and depending on the quality of the plant material that you use, it can have very high levels of this element.


  5. Thank you Lumperdawgz. Im going to try using the sulfate of potash. Im looking into a local organic farm group in my area.

    The BIM/FPE from Gil that your referring to is the one with Banana/Squash/Papaya?

    I have Banana and Papaya trees, can i use the leaves from these trees to make FPE?
  6. I use technaflora's sea kelp, it's veganic and works great.
  7. Whatever 'veganic' means today. Or tomorrow. Or yesterday.

    A word without definition or even clarity.

    If it's liquid it can't be 'kelp' - it can be seaweed extract. It can be 'alginic extract' or other game-playing with terms on the label but it is a physical impossibility for it to be 'kelp'

    Why would anyone buy reconstituted powdered seaweed extract in the first place? Special water source? Kewl label?

    Just curious as usual.

  8. Youl could use this? Dunno how mch potash your looking for.

    I use it and i like it.

    [ame=] Earth Juice Hi-Brix Molasses For Your Plants - 1 pint: Patio, Lawn & Garden[/ame]

    While people will claim its straight molasses from the smell and consistency. Its not. 3% Potash

    This is a High-brix meaning it is NOT Black strap. Not much in the way of sugars but its extremely beneficial IMO.
  9. #9 Jellyman, Aug 8, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 8, 2011
    The best organic source of Potassium that I know of is Palm Bunch Ash 0-0-30.

  10. this is the product: [ame=] Technaflora Soluble Seaweed Extract, 225g (1-1-16): Patio, Lawn & Garden[/ame]

    You're right, it's extract. I bought it because it works.

  11. I have the same product and have used it for three years now in sprays, but when you use it remember you are getting the benefits from the basic elements in it. When you use kelp meal you get the elelments but more important you get the compounds that are not broken down with the extraction process. While the elements are are OK, they are not the whole show. And the real benefits of using kelp are in the compounds, and there are plenty, and they benefit your plants in numerous ways.

    So it's not that extracts are bad, their not, but meals are better....MIW

  12. I use the hi brix myself and like it. Does anyone know just what it is made from? I know the smell is different from any other molasses I have tried, it literally smells absolutely great......MIW
  13. Here's a good analogy perhaps..........

    Seaweed Extract = Tang - the breakfast drink

    Kelp Meal = Poon Tang - the breakfast of real champions


  14. Here's another analogy

    extracts equals sex

    Meals equal sex with a partner :hello:
  15. And when the local nursery store gives you a box of kelp meal for free because it's crushed a bit and you're a steady customer:
    extracts = sex
    meal = sex w/ a partner
    free kelp meal = sex w/ a human partner (for free)

  16. All of this is off the top of my head from a long afternoon of research.

    Brix is a measurement of sugars, mainly used in grapes (for wine), fruits and veggies.

    Blackstrap is a step in molasses refining, the third IIRC.

    Hi Brix molasses is a step before blackstrap. Has more sugar (Higher Brix), weighs more, volume to volume and is thicker. It's molasses, just less refined than blackstrap. More difficult to work with for the refiners, because of the thickness and weight.

    Look around some in the feed stores. I snagged a gallon of Hi-Brix molasses, feed grade, for $8. It was being sold as an attractant to deer hunters. Also saw it in Bass Pro, but don't know the price.

    Where I'm at, the 'feed' grade is what's used for 'agricultural' purposes. We aren't the only ones who use it.

    EJ is good stuff, but $7+/pt? :eek:

  17. I paid $18 per gallon for the EJ hi brix.......MIW

  18. Ok, that's a bit more reasonable, a gallon lasts a looooong time.

  19. I use this reference all the time:
    You can also make up some Lactobacillus acidophullous(sp?) and start hucking some of these things into the bucket for the lacto to eat and use the product about 6 days later on your plants... but your yard will be reeky and your neighbors will notice. I used alot of these things in my compost bin, selectively and in large quantity, to creat an N, P, or K heavy compost to apply if the plants show need. I have barbequed and flamed many of these substances for the k result too.

    Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
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    Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
    Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
    Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
    Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
    Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
    Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
    Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
    Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
    Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
    Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
    Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
    Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
    Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
    Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
    Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
    Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
    Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
    Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
    Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
    Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
    Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
    Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
    Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
    Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
    Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7
    Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
    Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
    Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
    Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
    Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
    Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
    Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9
    Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
    Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
    Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
    Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
    Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
    Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0
    Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
    Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
    Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
    Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
    Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
    Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
    Feathers: 15.3/0/0
    Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
    Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
    Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
    Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
    Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
    Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
    Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
    Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
    Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
    Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
    Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
    Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
    Hair: 14/0/0/0
    Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
    Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
    Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
    Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
    Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
    Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
    Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
    Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
    Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
    Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
    Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
    Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
    Molasses Residue
    (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
    Molasses Waste
    (From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
    Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
    Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
    Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
    Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
    Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
    Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
    Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
    Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
    Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
    Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
    Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
    Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
    Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
    Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
    Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
    Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
    Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5
    Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0
    Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
    Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
    Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
    Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
    Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
    Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
    Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
    Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
    Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
    Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
    Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
    Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
    Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
    Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
    Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
    Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
    Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
    Rock and Mussel Deposits
    From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
    Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
    Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
    Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
    Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
    Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
    Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
    Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
    Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
    Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
    Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
    Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
    Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
    Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
    Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
    Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
    Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96
    Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
    Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
    Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
    String Beans (strings and stems, ash): 0/4.99/18.0
    Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
    Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
    Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
    Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
    Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
    Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
    Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
    Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
    Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
    Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
    Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35
    Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
    Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
    Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
    Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
    Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
    Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
    Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
    Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
    White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
    Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
    Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0
    Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5 Plant - Based
    Alfalfa meal 3-0.5-3 Ca 8 Mg0.3 S 0.1
    Corn gluten 9-0-0 ca 0 Mg 0 s 0
    Cottenseed meal 7-2.5-1.5-1.5 ca 0.5 mg 1 s 0.2
    Soybean meal 7-1.2-1.5-0.4 Ca 0.4 mg 0.3 s 0.2
    Seaweed 0.7-0.8-5 Ca 0.2 Mg 0.1 S 0
    Wood Ash 0-2-6 Ca 20 Mg 1 S 0
    Kelp Meal 1-0-2
    potash 0-0-30

    Animal Based
    Blood meal 15-3-0 Ca 0.3 Mg 0 S 0 some are 12-0-0
    Bonemeal 3.5-22-0 Ca 22 MG 0.6 S 0.2
    Feathermeal 15-0-0 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Fish Products 10-6-0 Ca 6 Mg 0.2 S 0.2
    Bonechar 0-16-0
    Alask fish fert 5-1-1
    Neptunes harvest 2-3-1

    Mined Minerals
    Granite dust 0-0-4 Ca 0 MG 0 S 0
    Greensand 0-1-8 Ca 0.5 Mg 3 S 0.1
    Gypsum 0-0-0.5 Ca 22 Mg 0.4 S 17
    Langbeinite 0-0-22 Ca 0 Mg 18 S 27
    Dolomitic Lime 0-0-0 Ca 25 MG 9 S 0.3
    Calcitic Lime 0-0-0.3 Ca 32 MG 3 S 0.1
    Rock Phosphate 0-25-0 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 10
    Zeolite 0-0-3.2 Ca 2.5 Ca 2.5 S 0
    Azomite 70 trace minerals from A-Z

    Recycled Materials
    Coffee grounds 2-.3-.3 Ca .1 Mg .1 S 0
    Grass clipings 4-1-3 Ca 8 Mg 3 S .5
    Leaves .8-.4-.2 Ca 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Sawdust .2-0-.2 CA 0 Mg 0 S 0
    Compost 1-0.5-1 Ca 0.3 MG 0.2 S 0.3

    Chicken 2-1.5-.5 Ca 2 Mg .2 S .1
    Cow .5-.2-.5 Ca .2 Mg .1 S .1
    Horse .6-.2-.5 Ca .5 Mg .1 S.1
    Sheep 1-.3-1 Ca 1 Mg .1 S .05
    Jamaican bat guano 1-10-0.2
    Mexican Bat Guano 10-2-1
    Peruvian seabird guano 10-10-2
    Indonesion Bat guano .5-12-2
    Fossilized sea bird guano 1-10-1
  20. #20 mike 0ryezal, Aug 10, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 10, 2011
    not to be a dick but high-brix means high in sugar brix is a term used to determine the actual sugar content

    without putting it on a refractometer it would be hard to tell weather or not it is actually high in sugar content but regardless that is what high brix means

    edit* didn't see another post regarding me response

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