Whats up guys, happy Friday!!! I got a couple of Dwarf low flyer Auto fems on the go right now in some DWC buckets. the problem i've run into now is that one of the plants is Mid bloom and has stopped stretching at about 24" like it was supposed to (dwarf genetics) which is great. but the other one has just started to show signs of flowering and is getting freaking huge. if both plants had turned out like plant #1 things would have been a perfect fit inside my tent. Anyway I know I shouldn't trim or HST but I wasn't sure what else to do so I super cropped the bigger plant, and trimmed some of the bigger fan leaves away. just waiting for a day for it to recover. I've got a 2nd tent that has a 3 week old white widow mother I started. she might get the boot from there so each of the Dwarfs has their own tent. have you guys had to deal with 2 autos flowing at different times and how did you deal with it? thanks everyone, and happy Friday! can post pictures if needed.
I just ran mine at 20/4 and didn't have any problems. I don't do them anymore I get faster results from a feminized seed/clone plus more growth etc...and cost is less running 12/12 rather than 18/6 or 20/4.
Thanks HardDrive, yeah I'm definitely not going to go with autos again. I've got 4 more of the Dwarfs outside, so we will see how they do outside compared to in the tent. slow start to summer here. anyone else had to deal with autos flowering at different times? Thanks again HardDrive
I've got a fem white widow I was going to grow as a mother for clones. once i've taken a bunch of clones from her, do I turn one of the clones into a new mother plant? or just continue with the original as long as possible? (i'm not sure that made sense) thanks again @HardDrive
I would have just LSTd the giant lady, it would have kept her confined nicely to the required dimensions without the stress. Though stressing her will inevitably stunt her to a degree and that should work for you too.
You keep the same plant as the mother, otherwise you end up with copies of copies and that's not good.
thanks @ka0s420 yeah I originally planed on LST and some how managed to not do ANY AT ALL... its been a busy couple months hahaha. My last grow I ended up having to Suprcrop and the use a mesh net to hold everything down away from the light.... I really don't want to do that again so I might just drop the 100$ on another carbon filter and stick the "giant lady" into a different tent. I don't know what to do with her! haha thanks for the advice
yeah thats what I was thinking. how many clones on average can be taken from a mother? I got 10 off of the last grow I did and then just killed the mother (wasn't sure what else to do)
Best to do a search on how many, I think there are some basic rules, like one called the 5 and 7 rule or something - it's based on how many branches and nodes you have. Normally people flower the mother when they're done and smoke her ass But if you're done cloning her and don't want or cant flower here for whatever reason then there's not much else you can do with her other than make paper, rope or some hemp thing haha. You could also try and breed her for seeds.
afaik you keep the mom vegging and can get further generations of clones. I think that's the vital info you're missing actually. You should be able to get a perpetual grow going
If the root ball is getting to large, take your clones and either or, flower her, or cut off the excess roots, make like a square small root ball and re-plant/soil her. This ain't a analog copy machine where a copy degrades, it's the same plant, clone it until you get tired of the strain.
Well not everyone sees it that way @HardDrive check this thread for example: Cloned too many times As for the root ball, maybe this comes from being a hydro grower? From what Ive seen in soil, you just top the mom, which creates more clone sites and deals with roots.
To further clarify you can take clones of clones ad infinitum, with success, but there is a thing called genetic drift that will mean that the clones will become further and further mutated of time/cloning and will become different to the original mother. Still, for your purposes the technique would be fine, and in most cases the genetic drift isn't harmful.
I'm going to attach a couple of pic's, me and another swap these back and forth. These 4 clones are from one clone I took a good while back, and this is number 9 times of being copied. As for the rootball that is in dirt, not hydro. Once the ball gets so big, you have really no choice but to pull it, trim the ball and replant it. I would just clone and flower the mother.
There is my proof of what I say. I don't just read some shit and take it to heart. I have to experiment with it, then if it works, there is good in it, otherwise it could be just plain ole' bullshit or the lever of the grower. I could tell you now that the Master Blend is the shit, and it is for me so far and many others, but a newbie grower better just experiment with it a little before risking it all.
If you read my last post (it may not have been there when you replied) I'm not disagreeing that it can be done. But the research is out there. It's not written for laymen, but here's a study on the subject: https://www.cell.com/current-biolog...m/retrieve/pii/S0960982211007718?showall=true Taking a quote from another forum, the user put it anecdotally: "the scientific study was on the generational genetic change "mutation" for a species to exist or deal with change.....but how it isnt as darwinesqe as we thought.....more over instanly from one gen to the next aka spontanious mutation when certain factors are presented....it would be as if Co2 levels went up signaficantly and then I had a child and the child was born adapted to said levels where the rest of us had to use oxygen masks......a percentage of the scientific community is starting to realize more and more life on this planet is more like computers then we thing or.....visa versa ......when creating a child we rewrite code to better our offspring chance of survival...... kinda like a software patch"
