Evidence against bin Laden

maxrule · May 3, 2011

What is the evidence that bin Laden had prior knowledge of 911?

I'd like to compare any evidence that you can conjure up of bin Laden's prior knowledge or involvement in the 911 attacks compared to any evidence of the government's prior knowledge.

It is well documented that the government took several peculiar steps regarding flight security and anti-terrorism policy in the months leading up to 9-11 that actually lowered defenses.

It is obvious that many people knew that the towers would be destroyed. Some even knew of a destruction by plane and in some cases the very date is revealed before hand.

Both towers were destroyed in popular culture numerous times prior to Sept 11, 2001.

Do you reckon that this is where bin Laden supposedly got the idea?

I'd like to see some prior knowledge evidence on bin Laden.

"So what is this evidence everyone's talking about? It's hard to say for sure, since it's off-limits to all but the highest-level government officials,"

What Is This Evidence Against Bin Laden?
TIME - Wednesday, Oct. 03, 2001

Within hours of the World Trade Center collapsing, the U.S. began pointing fingers at Osama bin Laden. And within days of those accusations, the Bush administration began talking of the "evidence" against bin Laden. Colin Powell has talked about it. Donald Rumsfeld has talked about it. President Bush has talked about it. The past two weeks have been dotted with press conferences, international committee meetings, lengthy legal discussions, all focused on one question: Where is the evidence of bin Laden's guilt?

To date, very little evidence has been made public, for obvious security reasons, so any discussion has been necessarily relegated to the realm of speculation. We do know that this is not a "normal" evidentiary search: Colin Powell has been candid in saying that the evidence is not of the type that would stand up in an American court of law.

Since the first demands for "evidence," the U.S. government has busied itself preparing a laundry list of suitable accusations and diplomatically correct labels to hurl at bin Laden and his terrorist cells. The mysterious "proof" of his guilt has been shared, we're told with Allied leaders in Europe, as well as with various Pakistani and Afghan (rebel) authorities. NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson later characterized a secret U.S. briefing as offering "clear and compelling evidence," while Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien announced he was "quite satisfied" the information "proves" bin Laden's involvement.

So what is this evidence everyone's talking about? It's hard to say for sure, since it's off-limits to all but the highest-level government officials, but according to Jordan Paust, professor of law and director of the International Law Institute at the University of Houston, "There could be various types of evidence. We could have super-sensitive satellite pictures, statements from people within the Taliban, intercepted intelligence reports."

Whatever it is, it probably involves two basic components. Legally important evidence and politically important evidence.

The legal case

"The first purpose of the evidence will be to build a legal case against bin Laden," he says, "paving the way for possible extradition hearings." Extradition generally requires the requesting state (in this case, the U.S.) to provide evidence that gives "probable cause" to believe the accused was involved in a crime.

This is an unusual situation, adds Paust, because the U.S. does not recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan - and so the generally accepted rules of state-to-state engagement don't apply. If this were a "normal" case, he says, prosecution of bin Laden and others acting outside the United States in connection with the September 11th terrorist attack is possible, Paust says, under the Antiterrorism Act of 1990. It's also possible under U.S. legislation implementing the Montreal Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Civil Aviation.

"If, for some reason, there were to be a legitimate exchange between the Taliban and the U.S. government," says Paust, "the U.S. would have to present sufficient evidence linking bin Laden to the terrorist attacks. I assume that we will have a new indictment after the latest attack, above and beyond pre-existing indictments we have pending against bin Laden for previous crimes."

The political case

The second line of evidentiary attack is political - which is just as, if not more critical, to the future of the case against bin Laden. Here, the argument has to be made in the court of world opinion. "We want to establish a system of intelligence exchange, possibly setting up an international criminal tribunal. There's a lot at stake here, both immediately and for the future in terms of international military, diplomatic and judicial partnerships."

One thing's for sure, says Paust. This is not a time for the U.S. to clench a secretive fist around "proprietary" information. "In terms of smart long-term political planning, it'll benefit the U.S. in to disclose more evidence about the accused than we have in the past."
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Blair Reveals Evidence Against Bin Laden (washingtonpost.com)

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Norma Stits · May 3, 2011

excuse me maxrule..

GW Bush said he did it..

you need more evidence than that?

don't you watch the news, man?

and weren't there videos of him claiming responsibility or something?

Mardhyn · May 3, 2011

Why the hell does everyone get so tripped up when the media brings someone back into the forefront. Osama was a nasty person, but he's dead now.

Seriously, everyone in the past 24 hours has been like "OMG OMG OMG OMG OSAMAM ASMDFAMSGFJMHOAMGHDMHMADMH", just move on.

maxrule · May 3, 2011

AugustWest said:

excuse me maxrule..

GW Bush said he did it..

you need more evidence than that?

don't you watch the news, man?

and weren't there videos of him claiming responsibility or something?
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I think that bin Laden must have been high on opium, munching out on doritos and then conjured up the idea after consuming about ten thousand hours of American popular culture.

I think that we should attack the west; but how should we do it?

Ah yes the towers; we shall destroy the towers of the infidel; but how should we do this?

Of Course!!! Planes!!!

Will shall hijack planes of the infidel!!!

But when will we strike the great Satan???

On 9-11!!! Brilliant!!!

Only Allah could conceive of such a great plan!!!

Cruizer · May 4, 2011

Mardhyn said:

Why the hell does everyone get so tripped up when the media brings someone back into the forefront. Osama was a nasty person, but he's dead now.

Seriously, everyone in the past 24 hours has been like "OMG OMG OMG OMG OSAMAM ASMDFAMSGFJMHOAMGHDMHMADMH", just move on.
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Why are people so insistent on 'moving on'? Is it some kind of American compulsion that I don't understand because I'm Australian? We're supposed to look at the past, and we're supposed to question our Governments. When we do that, we at least make an attempt at preventing a corrupt state.

Osama was a nasty person, but he has never been conclusively linked to 9/11, it boggles my mind how people can just blindly accept this without cold, hard evidence.

Dopenologist · May 4, 2011

AugustWest said:

and weren't there videos of him claiming responsibility or something?
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Nope. There was only ONE official video from the U.S. government which was a fake with a fake bin laden who was 30kg heavier then bin laden and looked nothing like him.

NPR: America Responds - Osama bin Laden Videotape

Blunted123 · May 4, 2011

Cruizer said:

Why are people so insistent on 'moving on'? Is it some kind of American compulsion that I don't understand because I'm Australian? We're supposed to look at the past, and we're supposed to question our Governments. When we do that, we at least make an attempt at preventing a corrupt state.

Osama was a nasty person, but he has never been conclusively linked to 9/11, it boggles my mind how people can just blindly accept this without cold, hard evidence.
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That is the American way of life in which many citizens have blindly and unknowningly accepted and practice.

Being an American is deplorable.
Sovereignty, anyone?

MSabre · May 4, 2011

Oh wow, a landmark destroyed and when it happens for real everyone believes that it was planned to begin with.

We saw independence day right? what happens if the WH blows up? OH, guess they knew it was going to happen.

Cruizer · May 4, 2011

MSabre said:

Oh wow, a landmark destroyed and when it happens for real everyone believes that it was planned to begin with.

We saw independence day right? what happens if the WH blows up? OH, guess they knew it was going to happen.
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That is a fantasticly thought out and concise arguement, thankyou for that.

MobiusStrip · May 4, 2011

maxrule said:

It is obvious that many people knew that the towers would be destroyed. Some even knew of a destruction by plane and in some cases the very date is revealed before hand.
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I'm not up to date on conspiracies; can you demonstrate this is true?

I mean, Tokyo gets destroyed a lot in popular culture and it's never...

OH MY GOD...Popular culture is an accurate predictor of future catastrophes!!!

mushroomsatsuji · May 4, 2011

The twin towers were the most iconic buildings in the most iconic city in America.

Now the 9/11, thats just creepy,but probably explainable

HarryHash · May 4, 2011

sickk thread!

and just to say one other thing,,,

it wasnt hours before they started pointing fingers at Osama on 9/11.. it was only minutes after the second plane hit.

also.. one of my favorite vids <3
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA]YouTube - 9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You[/ame]

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