everything we say.

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by dragonmantek, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. I was at a party the other day and I got to thinking while everyone was talking around me.

    I've come to realize that literally everything we say is a form of knowledge or acknowledgement of knowledge in some way.

    even such simple terms can translate into knowledge. even angry statements or negative ones. everything we say is a form of knowledge because we only talk to express what we feel, think and know.

    maybe we all talk to just understand each other and spread knowledge.
     
  2. i was really REALLY baked. 2 brownies, a bunch of volcano bags, bongs and a couple blunts.
     
  3. [quote name='"dragonmantek"']i was really REALLY baked. 2 brownies, a bunch of volcano bags, bongs and a couple blunts.[/quote]

    Sounds like my kind of night
     
  4. Life is so complex. There's infinite little intricacies that make up life. I feel most people don't realize how complex life truly is. They just live it.
     
  5. Of course we communicate to spread knowledge.

    Telepathy is nothing of science fiction it can be achieved.

    One day written language will be obsolete
     
  6. honestly I think life is very simple. you're alive and that's about it, there's literally no guidelines in life, just what others that were here before you that control and guide you. the only thing you can do is live or die. too harsh? :p

    telepathy? our brains have been developing for a long time but I don't know if something like that is plausible. and if any of us are granted such a gift it wouldn't be for at least another millennia.
     
  7. Well you're taking a completely different approach to this theory than I am. I'm talking realistically not spiritually. You're thinking more on the spiritual side of it. But I'll experience a situation and be like "Damn that was life right there." It's hard to explain. But everything seems new. But old at the same time. We have so many guidelines and rules that are SO different from each other yet at the same time...I don't even know. Sometimes I do something and right after I think back "Damn that was life right there." And then another thing different will happen and I'll be like "That was life but something else." Try it and you'll see what I mean.
     
  8. ^ sounds like you're living in the moment, experiencing life revealing itself for the first time. This is the only true way to live. In each moment, there is no past, no future, only now. The trick is to see it that way. Life is right there.
     
  9. actually I think you're seeing it spiritually. no matter what happens in life, it still IS life. guidelines and rules are from others, not life. we only have physical boundaries (gravity, fatigue, death, etc. ), but anything is a possibility. you shouldn't think of it as "damn that's life", because that's life all the time.

    I also disagree.

    we are who we are because we have the ability to look into the past. this is HUGE. we do things because of what happened in the past. we also get our opinions and choices through the past because it is what made us, us. The future is something we HAVE to experience and we have no choice, just like how the past is also something we experienced.

    all in all, knowledge is prior, gained knowledge is in the future.

    I don't think I want to believe so much in the present as much as I want to believe in the future.
     
  10. #10 Timesplasher, Dec 7, 2012
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    Everythings complex if you break it down. Even "just living life"
     
  11. #11 esseff, Dec 7, 2012
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    We are who we are because we experienced the past. We can learn from the past through reflection of it. But in order to put who we are into practice, we have to let go of the past in order to experience the present.

    There is no such thing as the future - it is merely an idea we carry around with us. We imagine what it will be, and so, when it sometimes happens, we think we have moved into it.

    You are of course free to believe what you want, but as there is nothing but the present, you would do well to consider seeing it that way. I know what you mean though, especially if the present is not quite what you want it to be. But to escape into the future, in order to make it become the present, actually stops you from experiencing the present in the right way.
     
  12. I don't think it's at all possible to let go of the past. even if you don't have a memory everything that once you interacted with or even thought, will still be there with you. we are the product of our environments.

    the idea of the future, is that in 10 minutes I will cook food and decide what it is I will cook.

    the idea of the present, is that once I'm there, will I look to what I thought of doing in the past, make the decision as I go without reflecting on the past nor the future, or looking into the future to decide how everything will turn out to be because of what I want in the future.

    I don't see anything as an escape, because simply put, you cannot escape reality.
     
  13. The trick is not to be experiencing the present where you know there was a past. Else you are not really in the now, as it needs to be, you are imagining how the now should be, and that is not quite the same.

    And for convenience, that idea is a necessary one so you can plan things that need to be. But in reality, when you cook the food, you will be doing it now.

    I agree. Doesn't stop people trying though.
     
  14. back to point, I think that all the things we say and do are to share knowledge to some degree, whether it be from the past, present or future FOR the future.

    everyone is trying to move forward.
     
  15. On living in the present...

    I believe there are a plethora of books on "living in the now" which can help you to stay in the moment. However I have found in my experience that these "pointers towards enlightenment" which are contained in the words of such "enlightened" people can make it harder to attain moment-to-moment living.
    If your ability to stay in the moment is thanks to the helpful words of a guru, then you shall be forever spending your time trying to recall how on earth it was that you "lived in the now," - therefore you are simply recalling what you learnt and not living in the moment.
     
  16. honestly, I don't understand why people bother to "live in the moment", aren't you always, regardless of what you think or do? even as a concept, you're still always now.
     
  17. #17 esseff, Dec 7, 2012
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    In theory, that's true. But if you're also in your mind, constantly commentating, remembering, wondering, fearing, etc, then you're not all there. Being truly in the now requires a certain presence that allows the moment to be experienced without being clouded by the mind and all its mentalness.
     
  18. #18 esseff, Dec 7, 2012
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    The guru is only helpful in inspiring. His words should be nothing more than an indication that what he reveals is possible. If ideas are revealed by those who have experienced them, it will allow those still seeking to perhaps 'save time', and it seems to me that the compassionate would always want to share with those who seek from having to do it all from scratch.

    EDIT: It's up to the individual not to make his words into a gospel, but read, digest, practice, let go. It's only by letting go that what has gone in can come out in the way it needs to.
     
  19. I also realized that certain personality types have certain intelligences that one can learn, for ex: a Extrovert who greats with communicating with people can teach about interpersonal intelligence, how to react in a social environment, along with other external reasons but types vary; a Introvert who mostly rely in their head can teach about intrapersonal intelligence, self awareness, fixing their perception along with many internal reasons, types vary as well.

    So I could see where you're coming from, I love to learn so I take the opportunity to increase knowledge.
     

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