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E cig vape

Discussion in 'Apprentice Marijuana Consumption' started by Tuxx, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. Could you smoke/vape with an e cig? My friend just got one and I see it has a little "dissolving" filter thing with drops of the flavor on it, that goes in some atomizer thing.

    Could taking out the filter and filling that area with finely ground bud allow you to smoke weed with it?
     
  2. I've been vaping glycerin hash tincture in e-cigs, since the days before e-cigs were even widely available to the public. [​IMG]



    From an older thread....


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    E-Cigs: A Photo Tutorial using Hash Tincture

    You need to start with a filtered concentrate... at least dry sift hash. [​IMG] The tincture needs to be activated and bioavailable, or in other words functional orally, and you just need to dose according to your personal tolerance.


    You need to have realistic expectations when it comes to the tincture you're working with.. if it's not concentrated enough and you need to resort to using it orally, or sublingually, then so be it, it's not all bad! [​IMG]



    If we have folks, putting just a gram or two of flowers/herb, into a fluid oz of glycerin, and expecting a single ml (or half a ml!) to do the trick in an e-cig over the course of ten to fifteen minutes of vaping, then their usual smoking-dose would have to be around 0.03 of a gram.... less than half, of a tenth, of a gram.

    That's one tiny little bowl pack! A common 'industry standard' dose for edibles is roughly 0.35g, per edible... that's over eleven (11) times more, than using one gram (flowers) per fluid oz is going to allow you to jam into a reasonably-sized cart. This is why starting with a concentrate or hash is the easiest and most realistic way to go.



    In the end, one way or the other, it's still going to take roughly the same amount of material you'd normally smoke, to achieve the desired effect. This is very easily accomplished with hash, but it's less easily done with herb, if you're aiming for a single ml-sized dose or smaller.

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    You can use a high proof grain alcohol (such as everclear) and extract the glandular material, then gently evaporate off the alcohol, turning it into a concentrate, or go to your clinic and buy the highest grade concentrate they offer. When using alcohol to make a concentrate for cooking, it's a good idea to decarb the plant matter first, then extract.


    Using a measuring pipette (I'll show one below), first determine or at least estimate how much tincture can fit in your cartridges, using lightly flavored glycerin if you'd like to try vaping right away... it won't medicate you, but it's a bit fun (especially when you're using it for the first time) and surprisingly tasty!


    Then, use the correct ratio of concentrate to glycerin, to fit your personal dose, in that much tincture. I can vape an average cart in 7 - 15 minutes depending what I'm doing at the time, but using multiple carts per dose will require an even more leisurely approach.
    You'll want to calculate how much of the concentrate you need per dose, by trying a dab or bowl before you make your tincture (smoke.vape it), then process it as usual using a glycerin tincture recipe.


    Using pure concentrate or hash alone in your e-cig without first processing it into a tincture, is not recommended; it won't vape as evenly or as easily, and you'll wear out your atomizers and equipment much, much faster. Most properly functioning atomizers also do not get hot enough to vape CBD, and other higher-temp cannabinoids.

    This is why the glycerin, and that your tincture is already a fully active and bioavailable solution, is crucial;



    Glycerin is a powerful vapor 'vehicle', and it becomes a vapor at much lower temps than the majority of our cannabinoids. Once you've made a proper solution with your glandular material, the glycerin vapor contains and carries elements which otherwise would not become vapor, at such temperatures.

    This also allows these small, hand-held devices, with cartridges and housing components comprised of plastics, to be used more safely and at 'healthy' temperatures...


    If you smell or taste plastic: you are using a defective model, or you are 'igniting' the atomizer for too long... no more than five seconds should do!




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    When working with a concentrate or any lesser form of hash, it's still the same glandular material, and as such it requires the same processing, however, you will need to manually agitate concentrates a bit more, in order to 'loosen' them up, and expose as much surface space as possible to the glycerin. It's very easy. [​IMG] If working with a small amount, you just need a small ceramic or pyrex dish, and your home oven...

    Photo Tutorial: Med Grade Glycerin Tincture


    You can use a crock pot for large amounts, but ideally, whether the amount is large or small, the oven is the way to go (the above link helps explain why, and how to use each method as best as possible).... when working with a concentrate, you will need to frequently stop the process and manually agitate the material.

    That is the only difference. (**Unfiltered dry-sifts will usually need straining to remove empty/impotent but undissolved trichome cuticles, stalks, plant hairs etc).



    A concentrate still requires nearly the same amount of time and patience, in order to become a solution, so it may be as bioavailable as possible.

    It's not finished the moment the glandular material disperses, or appears to be dispersed to the naked eye.


    It still needs several hours of gentle heat, and ideally, a week or two of sitting time for the very best results.

    I've been doing this off and on since before e-cigs were widely available to the general public, for even nicotine purposes. [​IMG]


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    Concentrates and hash are ideal for making glycerin tincture, that you intend on using in an e-cigarette personal vaporizer.. these tinctures come out much more concentrated, and a bit 'cleaner', than tinctures made with flowers.
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    E-Cigs: A Photo Tutorial using Hash Tincture


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    (And a pipette, as promised... I buy them by the thousand, use them only once each, sterilize them, and then give them to patients who need them but can't find/afford them. Seems better than just tossing them out [​IMG] )
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    Remember... propylene glycol is very often an animal-byproduct and industrial waste! Much more often than pure glycerin, which can also be animal derived and a byproduct of industrial waste... be sure you read your bottles well, look for vegetable, FOOD GRADE ONLY, and NOT just 'USP' grade, which is often stored in containers only suited for topical applications by the time it reaches the consumer.. this is why so many USP grade glycerins state 'for topical use ONLY', that's how the grading system works.

    If you want to eat it, or put it inside your body, you want food grade... food grade glycerin IS the same as USP, except that it's been stored in containers that will not leach toxins that are considered 'acceptable by the FDA' for only topical use (and they still may cause harm and irritation, topically).
    Even oral toxicity and its consequences are much lower than the consequences of inhalation, so it's especially crucial you're using quality ingredients if you plan on vaping your end product.


    Have fun, and good luck. [​IMG]
     
  3. Does it smell when you use it?
     
  4. Intense. Thanks! It seems like a lot of work though. Must you be 21 for these things?
     
  5. BUMP... looking for more info on this.. and Potent CBD
     
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